Loose games: Ed Miller disagrees with HEFAP

[Aaron W.]

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hepfab is wrong on this one as simulations and large internet poker databases have shown.

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Hmmmmmm.... I don't put much weight in simulations (especially hot/cold simulations) and I don't trust large internet poker databases because they often contain a lot of BAD players in the samples, who play much differently than good (and even decent) players.

[Victor]

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hepfab is wrong on this one as simulations and large internet poker databases have shown.

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Hmmmmmm.... I don't put much weight in simulations (especially hot/cold simulations) and I don't trust large internet poker databases because they often contain a lot of BAD players in the samples, who play much differently than good (and even decent) players.

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i am talking about simulations run by jalib and fekali and prock. you know those guys who trained a whole country to kill high stakes online poker?

im talking about databases from good players that have been disected on these boards.

[Shalara]

I would be interested in reading these sims if they're still around. I was looking for posev a bit of a while ago, and it seems to be gone. Do you know where I might find it archived? I found bits of it, but the discussion (message or something, I forget) to Sklansky regarding AQ, and the bit on pocket pairs preflop are of specific interest to me and I couldn't find them anywhere. I think it was all in "Playing with the Fish", but I'm not sure. Got the memory of a seive. I printed it all out ages ago, but some evil person spilled stuff all over it [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] I didn't reprint it after that, just read it once in a while, and I would kill to get copies of it. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[Shalara]

Disclaimer: my opinion follows, and I'm not always right. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

In a game where many people call with A2 or A7 or Q6s, AQ dominates. In a game where a weak A or weak Q will fold, or AJ or KQ will fold to a raise it's not as good. The former games represent loose micros, like in on-line poker. The latter represents games where games are a mite bit tighter or people play better post-flop, so the edge isn't as big.

I didn't even finish up my Pokertracker trial before I stopped using it, but it confirmed what I already knew--AJ and AQ were big winners for me, and I nearly always raise them pf from any position up through 3/6.

[Xhad]

The two books actually do agree on this principle, they just disagree how far one should take it.

HEFAP says sometimes you should limp AQ. SSH says not to limp AQ, but maybe hands like AJ/KQ/KJ. HEFAP says you might limp these hands after 3 or 4 limpers. SSH says this makes sense but if there are "a lot" of people in, "a lot" presumably being more than 3 or 4.

[Aaron W.]

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I didn't even finish up my Pokertracker trial before I stopped using it, but it confirmed what I already knew--AJ and AQ were big winners for me, and I nearly always raise them pf from any position up through 3/6.

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I'm pretty sure that it didn't confirm anything.

[Shalara]

Was too small a sample size, yeah. I should say for that period of time they were winners, and they appear to be winners still, although I lack enough documentation to show it. I use StatKing for documentation, and it doesn't do hands.

[bozlax]

I usually try to stay out of the "Ed an NPA disagree on..." and "Ed contradicts himself" threads. Definitely -EV to participate.

But, once in a while, one finds a tidbit like this:

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I use StatKing for documentation, and it doesn't do hands.

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I have to wonder what good this does you if it doesn't keep track of hands. Is it just giving you VPIP and PFR and the like?

[Wetdog]

I can't find Izmet's stuff anymore. Abdul's stuff (or what's left of it) is here . Izmet used to be at http://slicer.headsupclub.com:3455/16/Changes .

[Shalara]

Ah, just makes me be honest over hourly rate. Doesn't do any of that other stuff. Database where I put in how many hours I played, where and what limits, and what I made or lost.