Your new WSOP champ is a chump.

[rheaume]

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I don't think Hachem was obliged to tip at all, but 100$ is an insult to me

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i'm sure that's how he intended it - as an insult to the dealer who dealt him the winning hand in the biggest (financially) sporting event of all time.

seriously people, this topic is so [censored] tired.

[AngusThermopyle]

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I don't think Hachem was obliged to tip at all, but 100$ is an insult to me -

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Has anybody asked him what his reasoning was?
As mentioned before, no tipping in Australia, so he may not be used to the "customs" and was tipping the final dealer for the final hand --- not tipping all the dealers for the 9 days.

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I agree, but isn't the $100 tip just a jerk move? Isn't it just better to leave nothing and say "the tip was already taken out of the prize pool". What is the point to $100? It is like leaving the waitress an extra penny after the gratuity was added to the bill.

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I think it would resemble leaving the waitress an extra $100 after the gratuity was added to the bill, since this amount in both cases is not proportional to the gratuity. It would just be an extra hundred dollars. If you think it's like an extra penny, please PM me and I will give you information on how to arrange a cash transfer. For all of the posts about how dealers work for peanuts and need tips to feed their twelve starving children in their grass hut, I don't understand the outrage about an extra $100 on top of whatever share of the prize pool they already received. Also, why is this thread so large?

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I agree, but isn't the $100 tip just a jerk move? Isn't it just better to leave nothing and say "the tip was already taken out of the prize pool". What is the point to $100? It is like leaving the waitress an extra penny after the gratuity was added to the bill.

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I think it would resemble leaving the waitress an extra $100 after the gratuity was added to the bill, since this amount in both cases is not proportional to the gratuity. It would just be an extra hundred dollars. If you think it's like an extra penny, please PM me and I will give you information on how to arrange a cash transfer. For all of the posts about how dealers work for peanuts and need tips to feed their twelve starving children in their grass hut, I don't understand the outrage about an extra $100 on top of whatever share of the prize pool they already received. Also, why is this thread so large?

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Just to make the topic even dumber, someone should argue that if his prize had been $7.5 billion, it would be an insult for him to leave only a $100,000 tip.

[AngusThermopyle]

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Also, why is this thread so large?

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1. Look at any thread in B&M about tipping. In a recent poll, Pedophiles rated higher than Non-Tippers.
2. Champ not a 2+2 "favorite"
3. People love to find fault with others

[duma]

im sure that the 2% withheld also goes to the floormen and the Tournament Director. and from numerous reports ive heard, the tournaments were run ok but not great so why would an extra tip be necessary if they were just doing standard work?

and yes since the tip is already accounted for then i would much rather give some money to charity then to some ungrateful shmucks who will complain no matter what amount i give them.

and why hasnt anyone mentioned the other 8 millionaires in this thread? why arent you lashing out at them? last time i checked, Steve "Donkeyman" Dannenman, who won $4.25 million (almost the same as last year's champion) has tipped squat.

one last thing, Ted Lawson won a pot limit omaha event last year. he immediately went to his pocket and gave the dealer a $100. seemed like a pretty generous gesture considering thats the first thing he did when he won. would you consider this cheap? i have never seen anyone do this so blatantly before, ever.

[Rzitup]

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im sure that the 2% withheld also goes to the floormen and the Tournament Director. and from numerous reports ive heard, the tournaments were run ok but not great so why would an extra tip be necessary if they were just doing standard work?

and yes since the tip is already accounted for then i would much rather give some money to charity then to some ungrateful shmucks who will complain no matter what amount i give them.

and why hasnt anyone mentioned the other 8 millionaires in this thread? why arent you lashing out at them? last time i checked, Steve "Donkeyman" Dannenman, who won $4.25 million (almost the same as last year's champion) has tipped squat.

one last thing, Ted Lawson won a pot limit omaha event last year. he immediately went to his pocket and gave the dealer a $100. seemed like a pretty generous gesture considering thats the first thing he did when he won. would you consider this cheap? i have never seen anyone do this so blatantly before, ever.

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Which brings up a good point in regards to this thread.
Ted Lawson tipped out $100 on his 1st place win last year. So he must be cheap.
That $100 went into the toke pool, and after learning that 3% was already withheld, Ted didnt feel the need to tip any more.

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Sigh.

Why can people just not accept that dealing is a tipped profession? Dealers make MINIMUM WAGE.

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No a true tipped profession makes far less (2.63) then MINIMUN WAGE and is expected to make up the difference, a dealer makes that PLUS tips. The one thing this thread has helped me decide is that if I ever did win a tournament like this I would tip ZERO on top of what was already taken out.

RZ

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Thanks, Ill be turning 21 soon and am a B&M noob, but knowing what dealers hourly is clears up some confusion I had about how much to tip... where I live, 20 dollars an hour is more than a fair living wage for someone without a college degree. Say you get 30 hands/hr in at the tables. Say 15 of them are decent pots... I would never tip more than 1 dollar per hand I won unless no one else at the table was tipping and I felt bad, or unless the dealer was very courteous or kept the game running very smoothly.

Do dealers get part of the rake on top of their minimum wage, or is that all taken in by the casino as revenue to pay business expenses?? Seems to me that dealers should get a chunk of the rake rather than tips, which would encourage them to make the table friendly and fast, with big pots and lots of hands/hr.

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This would be like going to a restraunt with a party of 8 people, where the tip is already tacked onto the bill since its a large party. Should you then tip more just becase you are supposed to tip?

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Considering that the 2% withheld translates to approx. $120 per 1 hr dealt in the tournament...he is supposed to give more on top of that?

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This is awful math.. Even if only the dealers got 2%, which is not the case, you still have around 25k-30k man hours spent during the course of the tourney. ~250 dealers for approaching 60 hours each for the first day(s) and day 2 alone, on 15 hour shifts. I get around 45-60/hr. We all know there's no way the dealers got that much hourly.

There's still no really specific line of anything i've read that says that the dealers get that 2% either in full or as a tip.

As far as I can tell, a lot of it goes to non-dealing 'tournament staff' and pays their regular wages. Where the heck does it say anything about being a tip?

"4% of the total entry pool will be withheld for the house.
2% of the total entry pool will be withheld for tournament staff."

The word tip is notably absent.

-kyo