TPTK on multi-draw board

[sean c]

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Though probabely not too important the following is interesting to note: Although I (most likely) had the best hand on the flop I was not the favourite for the hand. I didn't even have equity! MP1 had Q7d, MP3 97, giving the following equities:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 24.7561 % 23.32% 01.44% { AsJh }
Hand 2: 45.5663 % 43.66% 01.90% { Qd7d }
Hand 3: 10.7609 % 10.12% 00.64% { 9h7c }
Hand 4: 18.9166 % 16.22% 02.70% { 99+, AJs+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KJo+, QJo }

I don't have good reads on CO, he seemed somewhat sensible though.

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I would run it again giving hand #2 and #3 random hands and see what your equity is then. I also think this is a shining example of why you should have raised pre flop.

[ninenine_zoe]

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Though probabely not too important the following is interesting to note: Although I (most likely) had the best hand on the flop I was not the favourite for the hand. I didn't even have equity! MP1 had Q7d, MP3 97, giving the following equities:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 24.7561 % 23.32% 01.44% { AsJh }
Hand 2: 45.5663 % 43.66% 01.90% { Qd7d }
Hand 3: 10.7609 % 10.12% 00.64% { 9h7c }
Hand 4: 18.9166 % 16.22% 02.70% { 99+, AJs+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KJo+, QJo }

I don't have good reads on CO, he seemed somewhat sensible though.

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im not good with pokerstove. but i miss hands thats c-bet like AK, KQ for the CO. but even the range youre given the 3 others, you dont have an edge.

[Ampelmann]

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im not good with pokerstove. but i miss hands thats c-bet like AK, KQ for the CO.

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These are included in the AJs+, AJo+, KJs+, KJo+.

[Ampelmann]

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I would run it again giving hand #2 and #3 random hands and see what your equity is then.

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Then I have a very nice edge of course.

[sean c]

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I would run it again giving hand #2 and #3 random hands and see what your equity is then.

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Then I have a very nice edge of course.

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Then you should check/raise the flop and not be results oriented. You have no way of putting these two on any sort of a range given the action to you after CO bets the flop.

[Sam2459953]

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i have problems with hands like this, too. i would normally raise here. after rereading SSH, i found a similar hand in it: page 118. its categorised as a marginal hand. if you have a small edge on the flop, half of the deck is scary for you. call and push your edge on the turn if a blank falls.

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It's just too risky. It's nice pushing our edge on the turn, but we drain a ton of equity when that turn gets checked through, and a lot of hands will do that.

we need position for this play, and a bunch of callers between us. We have a chance to make the field call two cold so let's do it. Giving the field 5:1, we fold a lot of stuff.

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Are we expecting to eliminate an ace rag here for a cold call? if so, that will open up a few more outs. I personally would re raise to get the two ckeckers having to call 2 bets to 11 for an inside straight draw.

[Ampelmann]

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Are we expecting to eliminate an ace rag here for a cold call? if so, that will open up a few more outs.

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I'm not sure what you mean. Ace rag is not really a concern here. In fact anyone with ace rag might pay us nicely when an A hits the board.

[Spy021]

Like others, this is a hand that I question often. As played by me, I usually limp as the OP did in EP with AJo. On the flop I would lead with a bet. I don't see how going for the C/R really protects your hand, except against someone with a weaker Jack. Anyone with a 10 or a 4-flush will have the odds to call 2 cold, and other random hands are way behind making any bets they call better for you in the long run. So C/R seems to blow those that are way behind out of the pot and gives those with drawing hands more reason to call if a blank does come on the turn and they face only 1 bet from you or get a free card from a blown second c/r attempt on the turn.

Anyhow, those are my thoughts and I'm also interested in the flaws with my thinking.

[drzen]

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Raise pf the first time.


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Are you folding to a reraise? Say you call it, what flop makes you happy?

[andyEB]

grunch

I think this is one of those cases where we wait for a safe turn card then c/r