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#13
04-03-2006, 12:46 PM
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Re: 6-Max UTG Raising ranges
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AJ - I assume that a lot of the money you make with suited aces comes from playing them v. aggressive when you flop a flush draw? [/ QUOTE ] Yes I play my draws with suited aces aggressively, especially if I think my ace outs are likely good, but suited aces have much more value than just flush/combo draws. The two pair value is also very high as many people will overplay big aces [and also not reraise them preflop] (on many boards where you hit two pair and they hit top pair its going to be very difficult for them not to think they have the best hand with their AK/AQ) and weaker two pairs (such as if you flop top two/top and bottom and their connector hits bottom two), especially given they aren't suspecting what you have, so when I hit two pair I often find myself getting good action, whether it be from those hands or someone drawing. They also cannot put you on the low paired rag on the board if you flop trips when you come in raising with this hand UTG, and obviously the tiny chance of flopping a straight, or having some extra straight outs is there with A2-A5. The value of the nut flush draw with various combo possibilities is obvious, as is the value of playing those draws aggressively. I am not looking to play a big pot with one pair with this hand, and I wouldn't be doing the same with most other aces. If you are raising A8s and A9s UTG, why not raise the other ones as well? They may be easier to counterfeit, and will be dominated more often (which is not as bad as some people may think given the value you are playing this hand for), but these hands are really up to par with their clunkier cousins when coming in raising UTG, in my experience. On the other hand, I throw away ATo pretty much every time, and if I am in a bad mood AJo may hit the muck from time to time as well (default is obv. to raise). Do you people really think ATo is profitable UTG? 
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#15
04-03-2006, 01:41 PM
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Re: 6-Max UTG Raising ranges
I used to raise any suited ace UTG at anytime. Now I'm trying to be more aware of my image and occasionally mucking depending on how frequently I have been raising recently. I probably raise/fold about 50/50. I don't mind playing the suited aces out of position because if I flop the nut flush draw, I can lead out and get raised and then just jam all in.
ATo I muck, and KJo is of course a total dog hand. Suited broadways I will raise UTG probably 90% of the time. I will occasionally limp if I have been raising very frequently. I also used to raise a hand like 78 suited UTG 100%. Now I'm folding 100%. Building drawing hands out of position is just a big leak.
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#16
04-03-2006, 01:42 PM
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Re: 6-Max UTG Raising ranges
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On the other hand, I throw away ATo pretty much every time, and if I am in a bad mood AJo may hit the muck from time to time as well (default is obv. to raise). Do you people really think ATo is profitable UTG? [/ QUOTE ] I think people like to call raises with suited aces and are generally willing to play a small pot with them with just a pair of aces. Sometimes I'll be dominated but I usually can get away from the hand if all I have is a pair of aces. Many more times someone will be in with A2s - A9s and I can win a small pot. I would say that AJo and ATo are probably about 0EV UTG for me (I'm at work and don't have my PT numbers) but since I feel comfortable playing these hands UTG I'm happy to add in a few 0EV hands just to increase my range of UTG raises. After reading what you wrote though I'm going to try to start raising suited aces UTG and see how things go.
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#17
04-03-2006, 01:56 PM
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Re: 6-Max UTG Raising ranges
I used to raise almost always UTG with:
Any 2 T and above, 22+, Any SC or SC 1 gap. I have tighten up some lately UTG and UTG+1 which I feel good with. So my UTG raising standard is nowadays normally: Any two cards J and above, any two suited cards T and above(QJ, KJ, ,KTs often hitting the muck though if I dont have good read on the table or for some other reason dont want to play it), 88+ (sometimes limp sometimes raise with 77 and 66, mostly limping with 55-). lower SC and SC 1 gaps depending on table conditions.
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#18
04-03-2006, 02:03 PM
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Re: 6-Max UTG Raising ranges
I notice that everyone who's mentioning that they open limp certain hands (small PPs, SCs, etc) hasn't mentioned any limp-reraising.
Are you guys really saying that the only time you ever limp UTG is small PPs and SCs? This seems v v bad to me. I hate limp reraising because it defines my hand too much when I do it with a big PP and I don't want to do it with worse hands. Since I'm always raising my big hands UTG, it makes me physically ill (i'm not exaggerating here, my stomach hurts when I get 44 UTG and consider limping) to limp UTG with a hand like 44.
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