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Old 01-21-2007, 11:59 AM
fretelöo fretelöo is offline
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Default KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

Right now I have 15 hands from this guy, so I assume that at play time, this must have been his first hand he raised with, and essentially no really useful stats.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero ???

Looks like an auto iso-3-bet?
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Old 01-21-2007, 12:07 PM
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Default Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

:grunch:
it does to me.

I spose cold-calling would be a reasonable play as well.

with KQs you might want the additional players in the pot as part of the appeal of KQs IMO is that they're a couple of big, tough SCs. so you might want to play them in a multi-way pot, in which case coldcalling might be better. that is, of course, assuming the 3bet will cause other players to fold more than a cold-call would.

that said,a 3bet here is entirely sensible.
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Old 01-21-2007, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

Auto fold.
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

Scary Tiger is right. If you Pokerstoved this you would see that you are more than a 60:40 dog to any UTG raiser with a decent range.
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

Yeah, agreed.

Don't know what I was thinking. I cold called, half the table came for the ride (well, that's like 5*wrong equals right) and I folded on a very uncooperative flop.

One of those spots where your new aquired aggressiveness plays a trick on you, I guess. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

Oh my, now it's getting in that dreaded area of ifs, whens and maybes again... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I cold called, half the table came for the ride (well, that's like 5*wrong equals right) and I folded on a very uncooperative flop.

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Just to get this right: I'm cold calling here because I have a strong hand that plays especially well in multiway pots. Thus, while I might be just about break even against your usual .1/.2 guy and might even have some postflop skill edge (who knows...), 3betting would likely leave me HU with a hand that is often dominated and therefore hard to play post flop without a read on the guy.
However, by just calling, giving everyone the chance to come along, I give up a lot of my TP equity for an increased flush and straight equity.

Right?
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Old 01-21-2007, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

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Scary Tiger is right. If you Pokerstoved this you would see that you are more than a 60:40 dog to any UTG raiser with a decent range.

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That doesnt mean you cant call here.
First you are putting less than 40% into the pot.
Secondly, you have implied odds postflop.
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Old 01-21-2007, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

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Scary Tiger is right. If you Pokerstoved this you would see that you are more than a 60:40 dog to any UTG raiser with a decent range.

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That doesnt mean you cant call here.
First you are putting less than 40% into the pot.
Secondly, you have implied odds postflop.

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you can't assume the blinds are going to come along or anyone else will without reads we didn't get from op.
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Old 01-21-2007, 09:39 PM
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Default Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

I like to 3-bet this to isloate heads up with position. KQs is a pretty good hand and I've got position. I have no reason to think UTG is a particularly tight raiser, plus I've got position.

3-bet and see what happens.Woory about AK/AA/KK/QQ when you get capped preflop.
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Old 01-21-2007, 11:41 PM
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Default Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

Take Ed Miller's advice. Do not CC an UTG raise when no else has CC in front of you. You need at least AK to play here unless you know that UTG has loose raising standards. If you are going to play you should 3-bet.
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