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fretelöo 01-21-2007 11:59 AM

KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question
 
Right now I have 15 hands from this guy, so I assume that at play time, this must have been his first hand he raised with, and essentially no really useful stats.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero ???

Looks like an auto iso-3-bet?

martybonus 01-21-2007 12:07 PM

Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question
 
:grunch:
it does to me.

I spose cold-calling would be a reasonable play as well.

with KQs you might want the additional players in the pot as part of the appeal of KQs IMO is that they're a couple of big, tough SCs. so you might want to play them in a multi-way pot, in which case coldcalling might be better. that is, of course, assuming the 3bet will cause other players to fold more than a cold-call would.

that said,a 3bet here is entirely sensible.

Scary_Tiger 01-21-2007 12:28 PM

Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question
 
Auto fold.

Ricks 01-21-2007 01:51 PM

Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question
 
Scary Tiger is right. If you Pokerstoved this you would see that you are more than a 60:40 dog to any UTG raiser with a decent range.

fretelöo 01-21-2007 01:55 PM

Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question
 
Yeah, agreed.

Don't know what I was thinking. I cold called, half the table came for the ride (well, that's like 5*wrong equals right) and I folded on a very uncooperative flop.

One of those spots where your new aquired aggressiveness plays a trick on you, I guess. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

unterfish 01-21-2007 02:11 PM

Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question
 
[ QUOTE ]
Scary Tiger is right. If you Pokerstoved this you would see that you are more than a 60:40 dog to any UTG raiser with a decent range.

[/ QUOTE ]
That doesnt mean you cant call here.
First you are putting less than 40% into the pot.
Secondly, you have implied odds postflop.

kerowo 01-21-2007 02:14 PM

Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Scary Tiger is right. If you Pokerstoved this you would see that you are more than a 60:40 dog to any UTG raiser with a decent range.

[/ QUOTE ]
That doesnt mean you cant call here.
First you are putting less than 40% into the pot.
Secondly, you have implied odds postflop.

[/ QUOTE ]

you can't assume the blinds are going to come along or anyone else will without reads we didn't get from op.

unterfish 01-21-2007 02:32 PM

Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question
 
Ok. Worst case scenario: Noone is calling except us.
Then we put 2SB into the pot of 5.5SB, 5SB after rake.
2/5 = 40%.
No?

Big Folder 01-21-2007 03:06 PM

Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question
 
how loose is this table? If people cold call a lot would anyone be upset with the forbidden cold call to get this thing multiway?

3-betting is probably standard against an unknown. You have a very strong hand, but it could be easily dominated.

tyler_cracker 01-21-2007 03:17 PM

Re: KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question
 
If the table seems even reasonably loose, i am happy to coldcall here.

Without some reads, i don't like 3betting.

Without some reads but knowing that this is .10/.20, i don't like folding.


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