$500 PLO, what's my flop plan

[wazz]

Button's range is badly-defined and BB is a lagtard who will bet any and all draws, he frequently bets preflop and seems to follow up 90% of flops with a pot-sized c-bet. He knows how to fold but you've got to hammer it into him that he's beaten.

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $5/$5
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $1.062
CO: $639
Button: $444
SB: $1.244.70
BB: $1.792

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero calls, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $30</font>, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($125, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $125</font>, Hero.....

[autobet]

I would raise here. button is almost all in and I wouldn't want hime to get off his hand (easy read) if you hit on the turn, where you will be facing a must call if it blanks the turn. Also, heads up if you make 2 pair you are more likely to win if CO folds.

[greywolf]

I'd just fold here most of the time, it's a bit weak hand to be playing for 100-200BB. The problem is that our position stinks so bad and our hand is only decent. If we play i don't know if we should call the flop and hoping to keep position on BB or if we should jam it and hope for the best. I'd probably jam the flop if i choose to play the hand. we do have the blocker queen so if CO and button is the right kind of tight players i would like a raise more hoping to fold out middle and bottom set. Another reason to raise is that if we do hit our flush on turn we might not get any action.

[wazz]

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I'd just fold here most of the time, it's a bit weak hand to be playing for 100-200BB

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[greywolf]

alright, I guess i would never fold this in this situation. It's not a great spot to get all the money in but whatever, It's omaha and getting the money in when you can't be an big dog is standard. The flop call still sucks IMO. The flush outs are not so likely to get paidoff because you have 3hearts in your hand and its not likely that someone will payoff with a worse hand if you hit. Also if you raise you will fold out some hands you want to fold out which would have raised you if you just called the lagtards flop call.

and if you can get it HU against the LAGTARD you should be in good shape. folding everyone out is ofcourse the best case scenario but this is omaha and it's an actionpacked flop so that is less likely than snowfall in sahara desert.

[pete fabrizio]

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Button's range is badly-defined and BB is a lagtard who will bet any and all draws, he frequently bets preflop and seems to follow up 90% of flops with a pot-sized c-bet. He knows how to fold but you've got to hammer it into him that he's beaten.

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $5/$5
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $1.062
CO: $639
Button: $444
SB: $1.244.70
BB: $1.792

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero calls, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $30</font>, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($125, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $125</font>, Hero.....

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I think you have to raise this flop and be prepared to lose your stack if necessary. There may be more optimal spots, but you can't always wait for those. Calling sucks b/c you're going to end up losing your action, plus if the button raises BB might try to isolate with hands that you would have preferred he folded.

[wazz]

Here's how I decided to play it..... FPS much?

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($125, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $125</font>, Hero calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $414</font>, BB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $907</font>, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $493 returned to UTG.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1367, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1367)


River: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1367, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1367)


Results:
Final pot: $1367
<font color="#ffffff">Hero shows KH AH QS 9H </font>
<font color="#ffffff">Button shows 10H 10C KC QC </font>

[22suited]

I think the first call is a bit bad due to loss of action on a heart turn as said above. After that though, with 3way all in action shove it in. You got lots of nut draws and can hope its QQ and JJ you're looking at.

[jlacks]

What hand could BB have here?

BTW Great question. I think I like the raise but oh the variance ...

[blopp]

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Here's how I decided to play it..... FPS much?

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($125, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $125</font>, Hero calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $414</font>, BB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $907</font>, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $493 returned to UTG.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1367, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1367)


River: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1367, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1367)



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The best part of the hand besides the turn, is the sidepot push u make. Making him fold is of course good, but happens rarely, but pricing him in with a worse draw or top twoish for a sidepot is v good.

- B