The big Fossilman hand of yesterday

[Nez477]

And now Kanter has the chip lead at the final table. If he wins this he will wish his name was Moneymaker.... 2+2ers will rip him a new ***hole. Bigtime.

Brad

[superleeds]

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I am disappointed that it took some fool chasing a runner-runner to take him out.

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Did you read or hear the history of the hand. He was not chasing a runner runner.

[primetime32]

the call on the flop was a little weird, maybe he was setting up a move on the turn no matter what the card was, as it turned out, it gave him a flush draw that he wasnt able to get away from.

As i recall raymer virtually busted matusow last year when he went all in on the flop with just a flush draw. granted he was ahead preflop and was actually statistically ahead on the flop, but he still needed to draw to a hand otherwise he would have been eliminated and maybe matusow would be going for his second title in a row.

i think its poker and raymer understands that better than anyone which is why you wouldnt hear him complain. matusow complains because he complains about everything.

[capone0]

The guy put in 4/5th of his chips after the turn on this hand. I hate when people runner me, but he couldn't fold his hand. Raymer could have folded the turn I guess, I wouldn't have. But to win tournies, you have to play well and avoid these beats. As I said earlier, last year he did, this year he couldn't.

[Easy E]

An aggressive player with a shorter stack makes a 100k raise into a 140K pot. You have QJs and position and around 2 million in chips. Do you call?

Flop come small, one heart and you have two overs. Aggressive player in front bets 150K into a 340K pot. He could have a big pair, a small pair, two overs, two high cards, could be dominating you, you could be dominating him.... and you're getting getting over 3:1.

What do you do?

[capone0]

shorter? he has you covered..........raymer had chips left after the hand. i guess you mean, not chip leader, but if someone has you stacked, going against them with QJh, isn't that great.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

He probably thought his two overcards were outs. But the reality was he needed a runner-runner to win after the flop. At the very best he had 6 outs (7:1 longshot to hit the turn) on the flop and 15 outs on the turn (3:1 longshot). His flop call was TERRIBLE because his outs could have EASILY been counterfeited... A better play would have been to fold or raise the flop.

On the turn he THOUGHT he had 15 outs out of 44 cards. His semi-bluff raise on the turn was an act of desperation. Raymer played the hand perfectly while Kantor misplayed the Pre-FLOP, FLOP, and TURN. On the otherside of the coin, Raymer played every street perfectly.

Kantor MAY be a great poker player capable of playing great poker .....BUT.... on that hand he played like an UBER-DONKEY. Kantor is not worthy of smelling Raymer's jockstrap...

[phuc]

If you watch the video interviews with Kanter and Raymer, you'll get a better understanding of how the hand played out.

Kanter said he called on the flop with the idea that he was going to take a stab at the pot on the turn. When the turn hit (4-card straight on the board), it even stregthened his idea that it was a good time to make a move on the pot. He didn't think that Raymer was as strong as KK. He got pot-committed and couldn't fold after making his turn raise.

Raymer says that he knew something was up when Kanter raised him on the turn so quickly. So Raymer pushed in with the best hand. It just happened that Kanter made his flush on the river.

In my opinion, Raymer played this hand well. He made the right reads, the right plays, and was just a victim of statistics falling for the underdog this time. Kanter (according to his read) only played it wrong because of his read. He knew that Raymer couldn't have had a 4 in his hand, but he didn't realize that he was going to get called and that even if he did get called, that his Q and J outs were no good. He compounded his mistake and was forced to call...and just got lucky. It's poker.

[capone0]

Felix-It might be donkey, but plays like this happen all the f'in time. You act like Raymer is the only victim in the world to losing from behind. How many f'in times have all of us lost with AA headsup? It's only a 4 to 1 favorite versus a random hand. Yes it sucks to go down like this and yes I would feel like sh!t if this happened to me. Thing is, Raymer got bad beat for most of his chips, boo hoo. You act like noone ever makes mistakes at poker. Raymer did play it well, he got sucked out on, sucking out is part of poker, Raymer's used to it, I'm used it, maybe your not used to it. Play a tournament online, see how many times you get sucked out on in 200 hands. Sucking out = Poker.

[durron597]

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Sigh - this is why I don't think I'll ever understand the pros' plays. If I went all-in with KK and one opponent on a board like this in a $5 SNG, I would invariably be shown a 4, and I wouldn't think to blame bad luck as much as my own stupidity for pushing all-in with one flippin' pair when there was a one-card straight on board.


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There wasn't a 1-card straight on board. Cardplayer got the board wrong (again).