Can you/SHOULD YOU fold it?

[3N1GM4]

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It would be difficult but i would fold there is too much action behind you.

However to win a tournament you have to gamble and win races and given your chip stack vs the blind schedule now might be a good time to move. If you don't fold go all in and to try to keep the field thin - if he has a small pair you are in a race heads up.

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Agreed, I think it's a tougher spot than it appears on the surface, which is why I posted it. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Of course no-one is smooth calling here, it's clearly push/fold... but which is it? Any logic/reasoning welcome, really interested in what people think about this.

[WellAdjusted06]

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It would be difficult but i would fold there is too much action behind you.

However to win a tournament you have to gamble and win races and given your chip stack vs the blind schedule now might be a good time to move. If you don't fold go all in and to try to keep the field thin - if he has a small pair you are in a race heads up.

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Agreed, I think it's a tougher spot than it appears on the surface, which is why I posted it. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Of course no-one is smooth calling here, it's clearly push/fold... but which is it? Any logic/reasoning welcome, really interested in what people think about this.

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Your M is 4 and you've got the 2nd best Ace suited against a rock. I'm shoveling here hoping to be heads up. You have to do this when you have some fold equity and a double push will cause the bigger stack to lay down AK and anything under 10s. Here's your chance to pull a nice stack and thin the field or drop to an M of 1. Either way you don't have much time so in they go (if it's me)

[Jake M.]

For as much as I don't like calling off my money here with AQ, unfortunately, I think you have to. You only have 5 Big Blinds. He has even less chips which opens up his range. Though he is in an early position, the blinds are going to eat him alive the next hand so he had to push with a wider range than he normally would. The only problem really is there is action behind you but at this point you have to try and accumulate some chips so that you can play an effective bubble. If you lose here, you at least don't bubble but if you do win, you'll have a pretty reasonable chip stack and you should be able to cash/make final table and hopefully take the whole thing down. Also, I'm not sure if you mentioned this point or not but what was the dollar amount on the buy in? If it was a low buy in, then yeah, you probably do have to call. Though I hate to stereotype just because it is a lower buy in, it is something to consider. If it is a $5 tournament, then AQ is going to be the best hand in this spot more often than it would in say a $100+ buy in tournament. Though this may not necessarily be true in all cases, I feel that it is something to think about.

[3N1GM4]

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Also, I'm not sure if you mentioned this point or not but what was the dollar amount on the buy in? If it was a low buy in, then yeah, you probably do have to call. Though I hate to stereotype just because it is a lower buy in, it is something to consider. If it is a $5 tournament, then AQ is going to be the best hand in this spot more often than it would in say a $100+ buy in tournament. Though this may not necessarily be true in all cases, I feel that it is something to think about.

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Yes, I deliberately did not mention this as I felt it would unfairly skew people's opinions, as this was only a $10+$1 MTT. However, it's a special/private MTT so the standard is many many times higher than your regular $10 donkament...

[sethypooh21]

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Also, I'm not sure if you mentioned this point or not but what was the dollar amount on the buy in? If it was a low buy in, then yeah, you probably do have to call. Though I hate to stereotype just because it is a lower buy in, it is something to consider. If it is a $5 tournament, then AQ is going to be the best hand in this spot more often than it would in say a $100+ buy in tournament. Though this may not necessarily be true in all cases, I feel that it is something to think about.

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Yes, I deliberately did not mention this as I felt it would unfairly skew people's opinions, as this was only a $10+$1 MTT. However, it's a special/private MTT so the standard is many many times higher than your regular $10 donkament...

[/ QUOTE ]Doesn't this (and/or the higher buy-in) push us more towards shoving over the top? The better the player initial raiser is, the wider his range is going to be in this spot, IMO.

Oh, and unless the other table has all the chips, this structure sucks.