KQs against an unknown raiser. Preflop question

[martybonus]

interesting reading this one.
I'm rather surprised at so many recommendations to fold, but it does make sense. Especailly cos as someone said, 'there's another better hand coming shortly' or something like that.

If this weren't raised already, I'm assuming Hero would either limp or raise (maybe not?) pre-flop. I know the SSHE advice is to play *extra* tight if it's been raised in front of you, but it also says that if you've limped in, you should generally pay the extra bet if someone raises after you limp.

by somewhat stretched logic, doesn't the same sorta (but not exactly) apply here? if hero was going to pay to limp in for one bet anyway, why not cold-call? after all, SSHE says it's okay to cold-call every now and again.

i realise there's a big diff between money you *would have* put in the pot and money you *did* put in the pot.

but maybe we can assign a 'value' to each hand PF...AKs is usually worth 3bets or a cap, AA is obviously a cap, and KQ is, say, worth 2 bets preflop, is it worth a cold-call here?

dunno, like i said, this logic is a bit shaky. but it just seemed a bit passive to fold KQs to a raise when it might actually be worth a raise itself...

or maybe i'm overestimating how good a hand KQs is.

[OziBattler]

marty, since no-one else jumped in I will.

limping in and then calling another raise behind you is different to calling two bets cold. Also raising KQs when it is limped to you is different to calling two bets cold. Simply put, all other things being equal, people generally raise because they think they have a good hand and this in turn is likely to devalue your hand if your hand isnt a monster.

I dont really like the idea of assigning a value to a hand preflop for the sake of it. It is much much better to assign a value of your hand by considering all the action that has occured in the hand so far, your reads, the table image, your image etc etc. Once you have determined your hand value you can decide what is the optimum play.

ozi

[bravos1]

muck.... later it may be a 3-bet iso.. but for now, I muck.

[Boggy Depot]

"grunch"

I cold call. While this is a strong hand it's still only King high right now. Might as well not put any more money in the pot until you see the flop.