Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse

[Mickey Brausch]

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If Bush43 succeeds in creating a free and independent Iraq, then the benefits will revolutionize the middle-east. I don't like our chances in Afghanistan. I think the NATO policy in Afghanistan is highly flawed.

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1. What do you estimate the probability of having "a free and independent Iraq" (and, I assume also democratic since it was already free and independent during Saddam's reign) within the next five years to be? (My personal estimate? Around 60%.)

2. What would be in your opinion a correct as opposed to the current "flawed NATO policy in Afghanistan" ? (My personal opinion ? History tells me that it is a flawed policy to try and occupy Afghanistan in the first place! Unlike some folks, I have read my History. And Kipling too.)

Mickey Brausch

[kurto]

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If Bush43 succeeds in creating a free and independent Iraq, then the benefits will revolutionize the middle-east.

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There is no guarantee, btw, that even if the unlikely scenario that we have a free and independent Iraq, that it will revolutionize the Middle East. There's no guarantee, either, that a free and independent Iraq will have any better relations with the West or that we will like them any more...

[Copernicus]

http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...ni20060926.pdf

[Utah]

Well, the actual document paints a WAY different picture than CBS did and it keeps CBS on its perch as the scummiest news source. CBS simply has zero credibility. What makes it more scummy for CBS is that it didnt have it as its lead story like CNN and Foxs. Opps....caught lying again.

[Copernicus]

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Well, the actual document paints a WAY different picture than CBS did and it keeps CBS on its perch as the scummiest news source. CBS simply has zero credibility. What makes it more scummy for CBS is that it didnt have it as its lead story like CNN and Foxs. Opps....caught lying again.

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I really think the success of "60 Minutes" gave them delusions of being above journalistic standards. They realized they had the ability to cripple companies with shoddy reporting (eg the Audi "unintended acceleration" reporting that destroyed their US market), so why not cripple people and parties they dont agree with.

I didnt realize this was a CBS production, though it doesnt surprise me to learn it was.

[iron81]

Jeez Utah, did you actually read the document? It's chock full of how the Iraqi war is screwing us over in the War on Terror:

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We assess that the Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives...
The Iraq conflict has become the cause celebre for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement...
Four underlying factors are fueling the spread of the jihadist movement:...(2) the Iraq jihad...
Al-Qa’ida, now merged with Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi’s network, is exploiting the situation in Iraq to attract new recruits and donors and to maintain its leadership role...
Fighters with experience in Iraq are a potential source of leadership for jihadists pursuing these tactics...

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And the story wasn't a CBS story, it was originally reported by the NYT and the Wash Post.

Edit: Plus, the linked document looks like a summary, not the actual report. I wonder what was left on the White House cutting room floor.

[Mickey Brausch]

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There's no guarantee ... that a free and independent Iraq will have any better relations with the West or that we will like them any more.

[/ QUOTE ]That is correct. Those who hold the opposite view implicitly but clearly assert that the Iraqi people, if allowed to genuinely freely vote, would elect a government which would

- be generally pro-American,
- improve relations with Israel, and
- promote religious freedom and tolerance along with western-democratic civil liberties, instead of islamic-centered legislation.

A tall order, I'd say. Wishful thinking, others would call it.

And one more thing: If Iran goes ahead and eventually arms itself with nuclear weapons, I see a truly "free and democratic" Iraq rushing to copy its neighbor.

Mickey Brausch

[Utah]

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And the story wasn't a CBS story, it was originally reported by the NYT and the Wash Post.

Edit: Plus, the linked document looks like a summary, not the actual report. I wonder what was left on the White House cutting room floor.

[/ QUOTE ]Well, then it makes all 3 of them scummy.

I assume the document is accurate. If it isnt, I am sure there will be a strong rebuttal saying that the summary was a lie. However, I havent read anywhere that this was a new document. So, for now I will take it at face value.

[Mickey Brausch]

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You're on my own 24 hour ban list.

[/ QUOTE ] You keep saying this kind of thing as if it's somehow relevant or important.

No offense but do you seriously think anyone give a f*ck?

[Copernicus]

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And the story wasn't a CBS story, it was originally reported by the NYT and the Wash Post.

Edit: Plus, the linked document looks like a summary, not the actual report. I wonder what was left on the White House cutting room floor.

[/ QUOTE ]Well, then it makes all 3 of them scummy.

I assume the document is accurate. If it isnt, I am sure there will be a strong rebuttal saying that the summary was a lie. However, I havent read anywhere that this was a new document. So, for now I will take it at face value.

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Its the original document with sensitive sections redacted, though I would prefer a photocopy that shows the extent of the redactions.