Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse

[MyTurn2Raise]

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WHHHAAAATTTTT????

Government programs create the opposite effect of their (supposed) intentions? And thus creating an everlasting problem requiring evergrowing funds?

No way!!?!

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[Copernicus]

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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not surprising that you would pick a cliche' that refers to "spinning" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I bow in obeisance to your awesome wit.

You da man! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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And I before your awesome vocabulary. I am quite sure you wouldnt have trouble with "is" under oath.

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....You would be correct: I would not have trouble at all with "is", under or over oath.

Do you have any trouble with "Mission Accomplished"?

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None whatsoever, since it was appropriately celebrating the air and ground victory that was achieved. It had nothing to do with the occupation or impending insurgency and was never claimed to be the end of Iraqi operations.

We're back to your whirling dervish if you try and represent it as anything more.

"We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We are pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime, who will be held to account for their crimes. We have begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. We are helping to rebuild Iraq, where the dictator built palaces for himself, instead of hospitals and schools. And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by, and for the Iraqi people. The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done. And then we will leave — and we will leave behind a free Iraq. "

[Myrtle]

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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not surprising that you would pick a cliche' that refers to "spinning" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I bow in obeisance to your awesome wit.

You da man! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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And I before your awesome vocabulary. I am quite sure you wouldnt have trouble with "is" under oath.

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....You would be correct: I would not have trouble at all with "is", under or over oath.

Do you have any trouble with "Mission Accomplished"?

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None whatsoever, since it was appropriately celebrating the air and ground victory that was achieved. It had nothing to do with the occupation or impending insurgency and was never claimed to be the end of Iraqi operations.

We're back to your whirling dervish if you try and represent it as anything more.

"We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We are pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime, who will be held to account for their crimes. We have begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. We are helping to rebuild Iraq, where the dictator built palaces for himself, instead of hospitals and schools. And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by, and for the Iraqi people. The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done. And then we will leave — and we will leave behind a free Iraq. "


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I do, indeed, thank you for the best laugh of the day!

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WHHHAAAATTTTT????

Government programs create the opposite effect of their (supposed) intentions? And thus creating an everlasting problem requiring evergrowing funds?

No way!!?!

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[Copernicus]

"I do, indeed, thank you for the best laugh of the day!"

You "do" what? Represent it to be more than I said?

If thats what you meant then read the transcript of the speech, if you come away with it meaning any more than I said, then its great evidence that solic vocabulary != reading comprehension.

Your assignment is to read it and report back to the class.

[Myrtle]

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"I do, indeed, thank you for the best laugh of the day!"

You "do" what? Represent it to be more than I said?

If thats what you meant then read the transcript of the speech, if you come away with it meaning any more than I said, then its great evidence that solic vocabulary != reading comprehension.

Your assignment is to read it and report back to the class.

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In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

[Copernicus]

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"I do, indeed, thank you for the best laugh of the day!"

You "do" what? Represent it to be more than I said?

If thats what you meant then read the transcript of the speech, if you come away with it meaning any more than I said, then its great evidence that solic vocabulary != reading comprehension.

Your assignment is to read it and report back to the class.

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In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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Even Ward Churchill would fail you for that one. You can do much better with a modicum of effort.

[Myrtle]

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"I do, indeed, thank you for the best laugh of the day!"

You "do" what? Represent it to be more than I said?

If thats what you meant then read the transcript of the speech, if you come away with it meaning any more than I said, then its great evidence that solic vocabulary != reading comprehension.

Your assignment is to read it and report back to the class.

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In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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Even Ward Churchill would fail you for that one. You can do much better with a modicum of effort.

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Aw shucks.....pwned again.

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[Myrtle]

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media

Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad. We shouldn't fight wars because it might make the Islamic terrorists upset. That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden? That is, if he isn't already dead.

Maybe we should call off the hunt for Osama, Mullah Omar, and the rest of them! After all, if we catch them it's just going to piss these pissants off. Can't have that, can we?


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The main problem with this analogy (one of many problems, quite frankly) is that it completely misrepresents the Democrats' position on the Global War on Terror. There hasn't been a single Democrat who has said that we shouldn't be fighting the war on terror. There have been many who are saying that we are going the wrong way and making stupid choices (with Iraq being the crown jewel of tragically stupid choices).

To go back to your analogy, if that indeed did happen during the Civil Rights era, of course the movement shouldn't be abandoned. What should happen is that the strategies being used to accomplish the goals of the Civil Rights movement should be questioned and the formulators of that strategy be held to account. Failed policies should be abandoned, failed policy makers should be removed and new ideas should be debated and attempted.

This is exactly what the Democrats are asking for now.

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Someone please tell me the ideas they want debated other than premature withdrawal.

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Steve,

You're embarrassing yourself.

You should let it go.

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Thanks for the advice. I appreciate you looking out for me.

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Steve,

My public apology to you for my comments in my other post responding to Sirio in this thread.

Although I disagree with your position, I did not mean to to imply that you were a moron, although it would be easy to read it that way.

Sorry.......

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the critique of Steves analogy is focused on something the analogy wasnt intended to be compared to.

It was meant to compare the TEMPORARY increase in active support for an unjust cause that incites its proponents to action because they feel their cause is being threatened. Once the initial surge of supporters for the unjust cause runs its course the just cause becomes more and more the prevailing wisdom.

The analogy had NOTHING to do with any Democrat position re entry or exit from Iraq or the war on terrorism in general, so trashing the analogy on that basis is a non sequiter.

I dont understand why this thread is even alive, since the representation of the report was a total fabrication.