Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse

[Madonna]

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Someone please tell me the ideas they want debated other than premature withdrawal.

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Why? Premature is an important issue. I for one think that premature withdrawl is the most important issue facing today's woman.

[Myrtle]

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media

Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad. We shouldn't fight wars because it might make the Islamic terrorists upset. That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden? That is, if he isn't already dead.

Maybe we should call off the hunt for Osama, Mullah Omar, and the rest of them! After all, if we catch them it's just going to piss these pissants off. Can't have that, can we?


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The main problem with this analogy (one of many problems, quite frankly) is that it completely misrepresents the Democrats' position on the Global War on Terror. There hasn't been a single Democrat who has said that we shouldn't be fighting the war on terror. There have been many who are saying that we are going the wrong way and making stupid choices (with Iraq being the crown jewel of tragically stupid choices).

To go back to your analogy, if that indeed did happen during the Civil Rights era, of course the movement shouldn't be abandoned. What should happen is that the strategies being used to accomplish the goals of the Civil Rights movement should be questioned and the formulators of that strategy be held to account. Failed policies should be abandoned, failed policy makers should be removed and new ideas should be debated and attempted.

This is exactly what the Democrats are asking for now.

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Someone please tell me the ideas they want debated other than premature withdrawal.

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Steve,

You're embarrassing yourself.

You should let it go.

[Myrtle]

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In honor of your attempts at the worst analogies of all time, i think i'll respond to this one.


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I didn't even try, my head hurts after reading that analogy ... oh man, I need some fresh air.

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S11......

I'm sure you remember the old poker quote?

.....Never argue with a moron. They drag you down to their level and beat you with their logic.

As far as fresh air?

It's on the way. The overwhelming weight of evidence is inexorably making it's way to the light of day.

The current administration's Orwellian manipulation of both facts and their actions is despicable and self-serving.

I am again reminded of the quote by the Emperor Claudius to one of his advisors.

"Let all the snakes hatch out".

[steve9789]

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media

Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad. We shouldn't fight wars because it might make the Islamic terrorists upset. That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden? That is, if he isn't already dead.

Maybe we should call off the hunt for Osama, Mullah Omar, and the rest of them! After all, if we catch them it's just going to piss these pissants off. Can't have that, can we?


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The main problem with this analogy (one of many problems, quite frankly) is that it completely misrepresents the Democrats' position on the Global War on Terror. There hasn't been a single Democrat who has said that we shouldn't be fighting the war on terror. There have been many who are saying that we are going the wrong way and making stupid choices (with Iraq being the crown jewel of tragically stupid choices).

To go back to your analogy, if that indeed did happen during the Civil Rights era, of course the movement shouldn't be abandoned. What should happen is that the strategies being used to accomplish the goals of the Civil Rights movement should be questioned and the formulators of that strategy be held to account. Failed policies should be abandoned, failed policy makers should be removed and new ideas should be debated and attempted.

This is exactly what the Democrats are asking for now.

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Someone please tell me the ideas they want debated other than premature withdrawal.

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Steve,

You're embarrassing yourself.

You should let it go.

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Thanks for the advice. I appreciate you looking out for me.

[Copernicus]

and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

[Myrtle]

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

[Copernicus]

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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not surprising that you would pick a cliche' that refers to "spinning" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Myrtle]

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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not surprising that you would pick a cliche' that refers to "spinning" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I bow in obeisance to your awesome wit.

You da man! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Copernicus]

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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not surprising that you would pick a cliche' that refers to "spinning" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I bow in obeisance to your awesome wit.

You da man! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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And I before your awesome vocabulary. I am quite sure you wouldnt have trouble with "is" under oath.

[Myrtle]

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and she says you are embarassing YOURself!

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I'm comfortable letting my posts speak for themselves, as I'm sure you are with yours.

Given that it appears that you and I disagree on many issues, it is no surprise to me that you would make the above comment.

That's part of what makes the world go round, eh?

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not surprising that you would pick a cliche' that refers to "spinning" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I bow in obeisance to your awesome wit.

You da man! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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And I before your awesome vocabulary. I am quite sure you wouldnt have trouble with "is" under oath.

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....You would be correct: I would not have trouble at all with "is", under or over oath.

Do you have any trouble with "Mission Accomplished"?