Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse

[anatta]

"Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism"

1. Look closely at whose position is at issue here. (hint: who wrote the report)

2. $300 billion, thousands of dead soldiers, tens of thousands wounded, and the problem is getting worse. We still haven't heeded the recommendations of the 911 Commision re protecting the fatherland, err homeland. Bin Laden...

There is a smart way to fight and a dumb ass way, face the facts, this is a debacle of the highest order, no end is in sight, its getting worse.

[kurto]

The Democrats have listed many good reasons not to invade Iraq.

I think you're missing the simple points-
(1) what's going on in Iraq is what many experts (read- not Bush) have predicted would happen before and after the invasion
(2) As many have guessed- Bush has made us less safe
(3) we are not winning the war on terror. Terrorism is on the rise.

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Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media


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Democrats are not jumping on it... who besides the zanier members of the RW apologists wouldn't find this important? Of course the goofier rw zealots don't think there's been a mistake and the US should just carry on... after all, its working so well. But the rest find this report compelling.

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They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad.

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That's not what they're saying. And your second sentence is not the same as your first sentence.

[Copernicus]

Excellent analogy Steve...best Ive heard yet. Too logical for the lefties, but quality all the same.

[Nielsio]

WHHHAAAATTTTT????

Government programs create the opposite effect of their (supposed) intentions? And thus creating an everlasting problem requiring evergrowing funds?

No way!!?!

[tolbiny]

In honor of your attempts at the worst analogies of all time, i think i'll respond to this one.

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

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Riddle me this batman. If after four years of efforts to reduce racism in the south the number of lynchings of blacks had increased, fewer blacks were registering to vote out of fear, and the number of KKK members had increased- would you consider said efforts to be
1. A big success, no more problems with racism.
2. A moderate success- lets keep doing the same thing.
3. A moderate failure- time to reasses and maybe adjust our tactics.
4. A complete failure. Time for something new.

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They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad

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Who is them? Remeber that we didn't make people who were already plotting agisnt the US mad- we made people who had no intention of attacking the US mad. I would consider that a massive failure.

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That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden?

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See only people who are ALREADY in that boat will be mad, not people who didn't care previously. The thing about IRaq is that it took people who previously weren't interested in killing americans and pushed them into that camp.

[Copernicus]

As many suspected, the report did not say that terrorism was worse as a result of the war in Iraq.

A single leaked paragraph in the 35 page report, which is a 5 year look ahead at terrorism, says that Iraq is being used for proganda. Everything the US does is used as propaganda!

I hope they get serious about hunting down leakers of classified documents

[sirio11]

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In honor of your attempts at the worst analogies of all time, i think i'll respond to this one.


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I didn't even try, my head hurts after reading that analogy ... oh man, I need some fresh air.

[Roybert]

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media

Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad. We shouldn't fight wars because it might make the Islamic terrorists upset. That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden? That is, if he isn't already dead.

Maybe we should call off the hunt for Osama, Mullah Omar, and the rest of them! After all, if we catch them it's just going to piss these pissants off. Can't have that, can we?


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The main problem with this analogy (one of many problems, quite frankly) is that it completely misrepresents the Democrats' position on the Global War on Terror. There hasn't been a single Democrat who has said that we shouldn't be fighting the war on terror. There have been many who are saying that we are going the wrong way and making stupid choices (with Iraq being the crown jewel of tragically stupid choices).

To go back to your analogy, if that indeed did happen during the Civil Rights era, of course the movement shouldn't be abandoned. What should happen is that the strategies being used to accomplish the goals of the Civil Rights movement should be questioned and the formulators of that strategy be held to account. Failed policies should be abandoned, failed policy makers should be removed and new ideas should be debated and attempted.

This is exactly what the Democrats are asking for now.

[steve9789]

Well Boy Wonder, I seemed to have struck a nerve.
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In honor of your attempts at the worst analogies of all time, i think i'll respond to this one.

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

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Riddle me this batman. If after four years of efforts to reduce racism in the south the number of lynchings of blacks had increased, fewer blacks were registering to vote out of fear, and the number of KKK members had increased- would you consider said efforts to be
1. A big success, no more problems with racism.
2. A moderate success- lets keep doing the same thing.
3. A moderate failure- time to reasses and maybe adjust our tactics.
4. A complete failure. Time for something new.

5. A noble cause worth fighting for.

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They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad

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Who is them? Remeber that we didn't make people who were already plotting agisnt the US mad- we made people who had no intention of attacking the US mad. I would consider that a massive failure.

UBL and those of his kind.

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That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden?

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See only people who are ALREADY in that boat will be mad, not people who didn't care previously. The thing about IRaq is that it took people who previously weren't interested in killing americans and pushed them into that camp.

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[steve9789]

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Just a quick question for you. What if the New York Times ran a headline which read: "Civil Rights Movement Said to Worsen Threat of Racism." The article tells you "Efforts by the Justice Department to end racial discrimination in the South has helped spawn a new wave of racial animosity." You read further and discover that recruitment of members into the Ku Klux Klan has increased since the federal government stepped up its efforts to bring the vote to Southern blacks.

Tell me .. .would it be time to pull back and let the racists and bigots just have their way? Or would our determination to go forward with the civil rights struggle merely be strengthened?

Democrats, desperate to do anything to reverse their slide in the polls, are jumping on this story big time, with no small amount of help from the media

Look closely at the Democratic position here. They are saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because it is causing more terrorism. In other words, we made them mad. We shouldn't fight wars because it might make the Islamic terrorists upset. That being the case, can you imagine how mad the Islamic fascists would be if we caught or killed Osama bin Laden? That is, if he isn't already dead.

Maybe we should call off the hunt for Osama, Mullah Omar, and the rest of them! After all, if we catch them it's just going to piss these pissants off. Can't have that, can we?


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The main problem with this analogy (one of many problems, quite frankly) is that it completely misrepresents the Democrats' position on the Global War on Terror. There hasn't been a single Democrat who has said that we shouldn't be fighting the war on terror. There have been many who are saying that we are going the wrong way and making stupid choices (with Iraq being the crown jewel of tragically stupid choices).

To go back to your analogy, if that indeed did happen during the Civil Rights era, of course the movement shouldn't be abandoned. What should happen is that the strategies being used to accomplish the goals of the Civil Rights movement should be questioned and the formulators of that strategy be held to account. Failed policies should be abandoned, failed policy makers should be removed and new ideas should be debated and attempted.

This is exactly what the Democrats are asking for now.

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Someone please tell me the ideas they want debated other than premature withdrawal.