Hand from the ME of the World Poker Open

[Lloyd]

First, pre-flop, I don't think I like your call simply because you don't have the implied odds. I believe you'll flop two pair or better (or some type of pair/draw combo) somewhere in the 4-5% range. I would only make that call if I had at least 20 to 1 implied odds. Beyond that nothing looks too off pre-flop although I'm sure seat 6 was hoping to have the hand re-raised. This would particularly be true if seat 5 was laggy. Seat 6 could be hoping to trap someone making a squeeze play.

I think I'd lead out there if I flopped trips a good percentage of the time expecting some action from a pair of 8s or better. On the flop, seat's 5 action makes sense. I'm assuming seat 6 is looking at this as a way ahead/way behind hand so he checks hoping to continue the trap or see how things develop as cheaply as possible.

On the turn, the initial bet from seat 5 obviously makes sense now that he makes top pair. The seat 6 push also makes sense as he's probably not too worried about 5 having a 7 and is only behind JJ and QQ. 5 may or may not bet with JJ or QQ here - possible but probably unlikely as everyone showed a lot of weakness on the flop. So he's probably putting 5 squarely on KQ, AQ, QJ maybe even a semi-bluff with AK or KT. Your push makes sense. When it gets back to 5 he's getting nearly 2.9 to 1 odds requring only 26% pot equity to make the call about right. I say only because it appears that he's getting good odds but he's got to think he's lucky to have 5 outs so he's like 10% to improve here and has nowhere near the necessary equity.

My conclusion: seat 6s action makes perfect sense but seat 5 way overplayed his hand.

[burningyen]

"Rebuy!"

[El Diablo]

Giga,

"Please explain what was going on in this hand, it flew way over my head. "

Tourney players are donkeys, many of whom have no concept of the true degree of variance in these things.

[adanthar]

Seat 6 misplayed his aces but not badly enough to say something like 'OMFG' over. At least he has some rational thought.

I'd like Seat 5's name and site sn's, please.

[Emon96]

is it possible that seat 5, being a tourning pro, was thinking this?? "I just heard of a great sidegame that i could clean up in, lets try to double up or go play some easy money poker". I know i played in one local event that had sidegames going where one rather repected area player founf out the game was soft and immediately threw the tourney to go play the more profitable sidegame. Other than that, the rest of you seemed to play it ok-ish.

[Bigwig]

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Both Seat 5 and Seat 6 are touring players.


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Does that necesitate that they are winning players?

Its seems not to.....

ImS0Lucky posted a while ago that just playing good tight poker seems to work at the $10K events he has played in, because everyone is busy making moves with marginal hands, its easy to get paid off....

Regards,
Woodguy

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I believe this. Especially since there has been a massive influx of part-timers who have seen the highlight shows (WPT, ESPN) and think making massive bluffs and marginal calls is something that should occur every orbit.

[suzzer99]

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Both Seat 5 and Seat 6 are touring players.


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Does that necesitate that they are winning players?

Its seems not to.....

ImS0Lucky posted a while ago that just playing good tight poker seems to work at the $10K events he has played in, because everyone is busy making moves with marginal hands, its easy to get paid off....

Regards,
Woodguy

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I believe this. Especially since there has been a massive influx of part-timers who have seen the highlight shows (WPT, ESPN) and think making massive bluffs and marginal calls is something that should occur every orbit.

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Man I gotta get my BR up to start playing in these things, before the party ends. Just $96,200 or so more to go.

[A_PLUS]

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Does that necesitate that they are winning players?

Its seems not to.....

ImS0Lucky posted a while ago that just playing good tight poker seems to work at the $10K events he has played in, because everyone is busy making moves with marginal hands, its easy to get paid off....

Regards,
Woodguy

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Paul Phillips mentioned in his blog a while ago how he finally noticed that he had the most chips at the end of day 1 when he pretty much just played the cards he was dealt.

[SossMan]

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First, pre-flop, I don't think I like your call simply because you don't have the implied odds. I believe you'll flop two pair or better (or some type of pair/draw combo) somewhere in the 4-5% range. I would only make that call if I had at least 20 to 1 implied odds. Beyond that nothing looks too off pre-flop although I'm sure seat 6 was hoping to have the hand re-raised. This would particularly be true if seat 5 was laggy. Seat 6 could be hoping to trap someone making a squeeze play.

I think I'd lead out there if I flopped trips a good percentage of the time expecting some action from a pair of 8s or better. On the flop, seat's 5 action makes sense. I'm assuming seat 6 is looking at this as a way ahead/way behind hand so he checks hoping to continue the trap or see how things develop as cheaply as possible.

On the turn, the initial bet from seat 5 obviously makes sense now that he makes top pair. The seat 6 push also makes sense as he's probably not too worried about 5 having a 7 and is only behind JJ and QQ. 5 may or may not bet with JJ or QQ here - possible but probably unlikely as everyone showed a lot of weakness on the flop. So he's probably putting 5 squarely on KQ, AQ, QJ maybe even a semi-bluff with AK or KT. Your push makes sense. When it gets back to 5 he's getting nearly 2.9 to 1 odds requring only 26% pot equity to make the call about right. I say only because it appears that he's getting good odds but he's got to think he's lucky to have 5 outs so he's like 10% to improve here and has nowhere near the necessary equity.

My conclusion: seat 6s action makes perfect sense but seat 5 way overplayed his hand.

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what hand does he have 5 outs against? He's got either 2 outs or a few chop outs, or he's ahead.

[bruce]

This hand is a perfect illustration of how Chris Moneymaker
won the WSOP. Take this hand and compound it over a week and anyone can win a big event. No disrespect intended towards original poster.

Bruce