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Old 06-08-2006, 08:45 PM
theTourne theTourne is offline
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Default Re: Tens vs. Tight Aggressive UTG Raiser

You actually only need to be good 19% of the time (2/10.7).

I would not have thought of this move, but I like it. An aggression factor 3.17 makes me think he's capable of laying down KK, QQ, or JJ.

My main concern would be how I look to him if he calls with his kings. I don't like my opponents to think I'm capable of bluffs like that, but it might not matter at 5/10 party.
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Old 06-08-2006, 09:16 PM
Jake (The Snake) Jake (The Snake) is offline
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Default Re: Tens vs. Tight Aggressive UTG Raiser

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Did you consider raising the river?

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This is the first thing I thought of too. I wouldn't do it based only on these PT stats though... I need to know he folds pocket pairs here for sure. Without any more info I think you see frusturated calls from KK too often.
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Old 06-09-2006, 11:08 AM
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Default Re: Tens vs. Tight Aggressive UTG Raiser

By re-raising the flop you would get some information. If he would reraise you then you have a good idea he's playing a high pair AA-QQ and be inclined to fold if you don't hit the turn saving yourself those two BB's. If he calls then you could probably put him on a range of AK-AJ. Anyone who caps the betting is going to bet out regardless most of the time.
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Old 06-09-2006, 11:15 AM
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By re-raising the flop you would get some information. If he would reraise you then you have a good idea he's playing a high pair AA-QQ and be inclined to fold if you don't hit the turn saving yourself those two BB's. If he calls then you could probably put him on a range of AK-AJ. Anyone who caps the betting is going to bet out regardless most of the time.

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Betting or raising "for information" is grossly overrated, and rarely a good reason on its own to take a selected action. In addition, since opponent is aggressive and tricky, it is unlikely that his play will be blueprint predictable. Indeed, it is not crazy to think that his opponent might three-bet the flop with AK, or likewise, might just call the flop and try for a checkraise with a hand like AA.

In summary, there is rarely a formulaic "best line" to take heads-up against an aggressive, tricky player.
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Old 06-09-2006, 11:29 AM
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Default Re: Tens vs. Tight Aggressive UTG Raiser

If the river had been a Q or J, would you still fold or call down?
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Old 06-09-2006, 11:30 AM
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Default Re: Tens vs. Tight Aggressive UTG Raiser

True but a TAG as opposed to a LAG? If it were a LAG I probably wouldn't re-raise the flop for info but against a TAG it may be worthwhile.
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Old 06-09-2006, 11:36 AM
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If he would reraise you then you have a good idea he's playing a high pair AA-QQ and be inclined to fold if you don't hit the turn saving yourself those two BB's.

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No, because it would cost us an extra BB when we get 3bet on the flop. Why not spend 1 more BB, calling down, for a guaranteed showdown? Especially agaisnt a tight, thinking player.

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If it were a LAG I probably wouldn't re-raise the flop for info but against a TAG it may be worthwhile.

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I am the opposite. I would raise a LAG player for value because I know folding to a 3bet or folding the turn after being popped back is -EV.

Against a TAG on the other hand, raising the flop is bad in this situation since he can move you off your hand easily and, if you call the reraises and go to showdown, it is spewing.

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