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04-14-2006, 04:37 PM
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Re: Hand from Super Thursday; what hands do you put villain on here?
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[ QUOTE ] Either top pair or straight draw. There's enough money in the middle that I am pushing this and hoping rizzle comes along. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm... I'm pushing this and hoping rizzle folds, but that's just me. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean that, if the villian has AJ or T9, you would still prefer that he fold? Or do you mean that you are just hoping that your hand is good? 
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04-14-2006, 04:39 PM
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Re: Hand from Super Thursday; what hands do you put villain on here?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Either top pair or straight draw. There's enough money in the middle that I am pushing this and hoping rizzle comes along. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm... I'm pushing this and hoping rizzle folds, but that's just me. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean that, if the villian has AJ or T9, you would still prefer that he fold? Or do you mean that you are just hoping that your hand is good? [/ QUOTE ] Both, actually. But I was stressing the first point, really. I'd rather surrender some equity here for the sake of increasing my stack by about 50% without a showdown.
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#3
04-14-2006, 04:41 PM
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Re: Hand from Super Thursday; what hands do you put villain on here?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Either top pair or straight draw. There's enough money in the middle that I am pushing this and hoping rizzle comes along. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm... I'm pushing this and hoping rizzle folds, but that's just me. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean that, if the villian has AJ or T9, you would still prefer that he fold? Or do you mean that you are just hoping that your hand is good? [/ QUOTE ] Both, actually. But I was stressing the first point, really. I'd rather surrender some equity here for the sake of increasing my stack by about 50% without a showdown. [/ QUOTE ] Oh man, are you going to force me to do the math? You have to know how wrong that is. Please just admit it, and don't make me break out the PokerStove.
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#4
04-14-2006, 04:47 PM
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Re: Hand from Super Thursday; what hands do you put villain on here?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Either top pair or straight draw. There's enough money in the middle that I am pushing this and hoping rizzle comes along. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm... I'm pushing this and hoping rizzle folds, but that's just me. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean that, if the villian has AJ or T9, you would still prefer that he fold? Or do you mean that you are just hoping that your hand is good? [/ QUOTE ] Both, actually. But I was stressing the first point, really. I'd rather surrender some equity here for the sake of increasing my stack by about 50% without a showdown. [/ QUOTE ] Oh man, are you going to force me to do the math? You have to know how wrong that is. Please just admit it, and don't make me break out the PokerStove. [/ QUOTE ] Early in a tournament, I would rather surrender some equity than put my tournament life on the line. What is there to admit? I already said it was surrendering equity, don't get your panties in a bunch. Edit: I admit this may be incorrect "mathematically," but I am merely stating what I would prefer happen, counterintuitve or not.
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#5
04-14-2006, 05:00 PM
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Re: Hand from Super Thursday; what hands do you put villain on here?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Either top pair or straight draw. There's enough money in the middle that I am pushing this and hoping rizzle comes along. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm... I'm pushing this and hoping rizzle folds, but that's just me. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean that, if the villian has AJ or T9, you would still prefer that he fold? Or do you mean that you are just hoping that your hand is good? [/ QUOTE ] Both, actually. But I was stressing the first point, really. I'd rather surrender some equity here for the sake of increasing my stack by about 50% without a showdown. [/ QUOTE ] Oh man, are you going to force me to do the math? You have to know how wrong that is. Please just admit it, and don't make me break out the PokerStove. [/ QUOTE ] Early in a tournament, I would rather surrender some equity than put my tournament life on the line. What is there to admit? I already said it was surrendering equity, don't get your panties in a bunch. [/ QUOTE ] [sigh] Villian's range: AJo, AJs, 89o, 89s If villian folds: You will have 6190 chips 100% of the time If villian calls: You will have 9820 chips 78.5% of the time. You will have 0 chips 21.5% of the time. Average number of chips: 7708 chips. [/sigh]
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#6
04-14-2006, 05:06 PM
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Re: Hand from Super Thursday; what hands do you put villain on here?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Either top pair or straight draw. There's enough money in the middle that I am pushing this and hoping rizzle comes along. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm... I'm pushing this and hoping rizzle folds, but that's just me. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean that, if the villian has AJ or T9, you would still prefer that he fold? Or do you mean that you are just hoping that your hand is good? [/ QUOTE ] Both, actually. But I was stressing the first point, really. I'd rather surrender some equity here for the sake of increasing my stack by about 50% without a showdown. [/ QUOTE ] Oh man, are you going to force me to do the math? You have to know how wrong that is. Please just admit it, and don't make me break out the PokerStove. [/ QUOTE ] Early in a tournament, I would rather surrender some equity than put my tournament life on the line. What is there to admit? I already said it was surrendering equity, don't get your panties in a bunch. [/ QUOTE ] [sigh] Villian's range: AJo, AJs, 89o, 89s If villian folds: You will have 6190 chips 100% of the time If villian calls: You will have 9820 chips 78.5% of the time. You will have 0 chips 21.5% of the time. Average number of chips: 7708 chips. [/sigh] [/ QUOTE ] Like I said, I would surrender equity here in order to control variance. This is maybe a bad example, but my point still remains: having zero variance has some value. You obviously know this because if the difference was 1 chip, you would clearly choose the 0 variance route. Question is, where is the cutoff?
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#7
04-14-2006, 05:21 PM
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Re: Hand from Super Thursday; what hands do you put villain on here?
Why are we ignoring TT, 99, 77. They, conceivably (esp. 99 and TT) who could find a lead here with 3-4 checks in front.
I hate pushing. Hate it hate it hate it. I raise to around 1600 or so. Crap, sometimes, I might call and hope he puts in another bet on the turn.
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#8
04-14-2006, 05:23 PM
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Re: Hand from Super Thursday; what hands do you put villain on here?
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I hate pushing. Hate it hate it hate it. I raise to around 1600 or so. Crap, sometimes, I might call and hope he puts in another bet on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Ugh. Again, I have to disagree vehemently with your line. I think calling is probably the worst play imagineable here, aside from outright folding.
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