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Old 03-09-2007, 11:26 PM
jlkrusty jlkrusty is offline
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Default Re: Never fold KK preflop, right?!?!?

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.867% 29.00% 02.87% 658184652 65186820.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 31.867% 29.00% 02.87% 658184652 65186820.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 36.266% 34.40% 01.87% 780877512 42348168.00 { KK }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.277% 32.81% 03.46% 393996096 41606992.00 { QQ+, AKs }
Hand 1: 36.277% 32.81% 03.46% 393996096 41606992.00 { QQ+, AKs }
Hand 2: 27.447% 24.14% 03.31% 289868544 39705784.00 { KK }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.529% 34.14% 04.39% 303253308 38983944.00 { QQ+ }
Hand 1: 38.529% 34.14% 04.39% 303253308 38983944.00 { QQ+ }
Hand 2: 22.941% 18.55% 04.39% 164798064 38976024.00 { KK }


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If the other two are all in, the pot will be $1,149, and I will have to put in $551 to get to showdown. If I go all in too, the pot will be $1,700. In other words, I am risking $551 to win a $1,700 pot (actually $1,697 after the rake). So, I need equity of 32.47% to make this shove.

I have that much equity in your first range of hands. And, I think their range is at least that. However, there is another problem. If I shove, SB can now play perfectly and probably won't go in with anything less than QQ (and maybe nothing less than KK). Shouldn't that be a factor as well?

I'm starting to think that calling in this type of situation is normally high variance with close to neutral EV... that is, unless we put our opponents on higher hand ranges. I think in this case, we can put at least one of our opponents on a broader hand range.
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