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Old 03-05-2007, 05:32 PM
etxel etxel is offline
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Default Re: My Basic Thought On Free Will

I think true pure free will doesn't exist. Meaning that, assuming that the world we live in follows the laws of physics, then everything that happens is the result of prior events (without exception, anything that doesn't would be violating the laws of physics), the only exception is the very first event (whatever that maybe).

The human body is made of material that also follows physical laws.

Everything you do and think is the result of something that happened before and it all traces back to that first event.

My argument is this:

1. We live in a physical world where everything is governed by physical LAWS (otherwise it would be metaphysical or something)

2. Then every event is the result of prior events. Ie, for something to happen something has to make it happen. For a stone to be airborne someone has to throw it. Otherwise, it would lay there forever until something else happens to it.

3. Assuming that the human body, neurons, cells, heart, EVERYTHING, also follows physical properties, which they do, then, just like the rolling stone, something has to happen that makes us take a certain decision. And that something is also governed by physical laws.

For example, I stab someone. Why did I do that? Well, my hand had a knife and it was thrusted forward. My hand was powered by a muscle which was activated by a neuron, which was activated by another neuron, which was activated by another neuron, which was activated by a bunch of neurons (my brain). And what activated those bunch of neurons resulting in me deciding and carrying out my action. Well, yet more neurons!! But where did it all start? Well, there is infinite possibilities, but one of those possibilities is:

1. As a child, a person's skin pain neurons were activated every day because he kept being beat up at school. Those pain signals went up to activate the angry part of the brain (neurons) daily so this part of brain is well developed (triggered to produce more and bigger neurons). The person now as a 30 year old accountant. He is at a bar, when suddenly his ear drum moves to the sound of "f**ck you" which goes up the ear neurons and activates those juiced up angry neurons, they're so juiced up and powerful that they activate the decision part of the brain towards the threshold where he decides to take a knife and stab the other guy.

Well, you can theoretically get a lot more detailed than this, and even go to the molecular level to really find out what triggered what. And also trace all the events back to when the person was a 1 year old, when he was in mom's belly, to when he was a sperm and egg, and then trace the sperm and egg back and keep going until you find that all of that is the result of that very first event.

And along the course of events since that first event, matter (following physics laws) has interacted in a way that allows what we call life, mind, thought, and the illusion that our thoughts and actions are not determined by prior events and physical laws but by our "free will".

Thats the way I see it. Of course there is the argument that its not all physics because what if there's a soul etc etc. Well, then if my soul makes me take bad decisions, then its not my free will either because I didn't choose to have the soul I have.
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