($55) EP -- Are large bets a sign of weakness or strength?

[unbreakable]

He would make this bet with a medium/large pair, you know, the same sort of hand he represented pre-flop by 4x raising from UTG...

[Scuba Chuck]

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I think by cold calling this, you really butchered it. If he is truly a 30/15 I shove here as you his range definatly includes KJ, AJ and AQ.

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I don't understand this range. How are you using those stats to include a raise of this magnitude?

[SammyKid11]

Just fold.

You can't cold-call and risk only seeing the turn, not hitting it, and having to fold to a villain push. Even if he makes this flop bet with 99+, AQ+ - you're only 45% to win. But I think you're behind a medium pair an awful lot of the time. His bet is large because he's holding a pair that's vulnerable to overcards...and he knows a lone ace has that inside straight draw...plus there's the possibility you've got two clubs. I'd say a good 75% of the time, this bet is his way of protecting something that you're behind.

Calling doesn't work...pushing is simply too reckless at this point in the tournament.

Just fold.

[Bazuul]

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He would make this bet with a medium/large pair, you know, the same sort of hand he represented pre-flop by 4x raising from UTG...

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Sorry.. I'm not familiar with the "4xBB PFR from UTG with medium pair" play.

Usually you'll see JJ+ and AQs+ raise 3xBB from UTG. 4x more likely for JJ, AK, or even AQ(maybe).

[unbreakable]

Really? That's very odd. Many players at the 55's play 88-QQ EXACTLY that way...

[Seadood228]

From what I've seen, they are generally middle of the road. Typically it's a hand that wants to take the pot down right there, but won't neccesarily fold to more action. At least from most players..

I could definitely see 88-QQ here.

[Bazuul]

Thanks for the heads up, Unbreakable and Seadood228. I would never 4x w/ 88-JJ from UTG. Is this a leak?

[Seadood228]

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Is this a leak?

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IMO, it is for them [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I could see doing it with some of the higher pairs though, but it's very table dependant..

This hand is funny because I can almost see the thought process of the villian when he has a small overpair. He wants to find out where he stands, but after being pushed into, the size of the pot and the fact that he's got an overpair has him itching to hit the call button.

[unbreakable]

No, you are playing correctly, they are not...

Just out of curiosity, how would you play JJ if you were the villain in this situation?

[unbreakable]

If I was in the villain's situation, I'd strongly consider 4x raising with QQ-AA.