Turning Stone 550 ESPC, Bad Spot with Huge Draw

[JSchnett]

I'd probably shove so that I can go back to sleep if I lose [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[0evg0]

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Call, fold if the board pairs period.

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call >>> shove > fold

[woodguy]

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Call, fold if the board pairs period

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I can't fold if another A comes off.

[0evg0]

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Call, fold if the board pairs period

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I can't fold if another A comes off.

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Then get better?

The A is a worse card than a T.

[registrar]

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im pretty sure its call quickly or call slowly.

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[KneeCo]

I agree with call the flop.

How do people feel about a pf raise? UTG+1 is the epitome of old, live nit, who's raising a premium hand 100% of the time, UTG is spewing with ATC so isolating him in position with 60 BBs behind would be great, and raising charges like the best player at the table to see the flop rather than letting him in for free.

[adanthar]

I agree it's a call, but folding >>> shoving

[woodguy]

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The A is a worse card than a T.

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Are you just giving him A2,A3?

If he holding 22,33 then you have 10 outs to a better boat and the straight flush and he may give you the odds to call, and there is the chance he flopped a straight (small).

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Then get better?

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I know this has been said many times, but you really are a prick. How about explaining your reasoning so I can see the flaw in mine?

You are good at poker, try getting better at life.

Regards,
Woodguy

[0evg0]

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The A is a worse card than a T.

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Are you just giving him A2,A3?

If he holding 22,33 then you have 10 outs to a better boat and the straight flush and he may give you the odds to call, and there is the chance he flopped a straight (small).

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Then get better?

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I know this has been said many times, but you really are a prick. How about explaining your reasoning so I can see the flaw in mine?

You are good at poker, try getting better at life.

Regards,
Woodguy

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Relax, you hinted yourself that even though the A is pretty meaningless, the fact that it improves your absolute hand value makes it harder for you to fold it. Which is silly. So get better.

Nothing personal or insulting.

[woodguy]

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Relax, you hinted yourself that even though the A is pretty meaningless

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I view the A as narrowing the flop 3-bettor's hand range (makes 22,33 way more likely), which I think gives us more boat outs (while unfortunately killing the [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] outs, except for the 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] out s), not ZOMG!!! trips!!#@!#!, I should have been more clear myself