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Old 01-01-2006, 10:00 PM
Jurollo Jurollo is offline
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Exactly, in the long run you are calling when you are about 50/50 I think you are going to have a better spot to take a chance with better odds and folding equity on your side.
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With the lack of antes too you have an orbit with your stack staying the exact same. I hate calling into 50/50's (at best) for my tourney life, I would rather be the person putting someone else into that spot.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:02 PM
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I would think a broader range in this spot. AK-A7, AA-66, 2 broadway. Against that 99 is a 55/45 favorite. Throw in some possibility of a smaller Ace, smaller pair, bluff and it's even more favorable. This is the perfect time to start picking up chips and I'd call.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:06 PM
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Passing on very clearly +cEV situations in this position in a huge tournament like this is ridiculous.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:08 PM
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And this is one spot where I think Harrington's "zone theory" is very applicable. As your "M" goes into the orange and red zone you need to be MORE willing to call with hands like decent Aces and middle pairs. There's very little advantage to not gambling here as the payout structure is still fairly flat for quite awhile.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:09 PM
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Default Re: Calling off all your chips with 99

I don't think it's all that +cEV. My read on those 'tight guy open shoves 11 BB' all ins tends to be something closer to AK-AJs, QQ-77. In addition, AA-QQ, AK and sometimes JJ overcall behind you.

I make this call from the BB all day but I think it's fairly close on the button.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:10 PM
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If it isn't cEV+ based on a tight range I obviously would advocate a fold.

I'm saying that for jurollo to advocate a fold given the range he assigned-- is pretty bad.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: Calling off all your chips with 99

I'm pretty sure the call is right based on the range I'd put an average player on, but you still have to feel you need to take a coin flip at this stage.

THis is about as close as it gets.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:13 PM
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I think this is borderline at best, it most definately isn't a 'clear call', the best point brought up in this thread is LLoyd reminding us that the payout remains flat for quite some time now, which may make me call here more often than not, however and argument could be made to waiting and attempting to get a better spot.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:14 PM
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Default Re: Calling off all your chips with 99

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If it isn't cEV+ based on a tight range I obviously would advocate a fold.

I'm saying that for jurollo to advocate a fold given the range he assigned-- is pretty bad.

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I didnt assign the range, I simply plugged Sam's in, my range would be tighter.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:16 PM
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Without factoring in the possibility you're up against a big hand in the blinds, you're getting 1.17 to 1 odds and need 46% equity to break even. A range of 77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo would give you 48.6% equity.
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