Dare I say it

[Ansky]

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Remember in elementary school when you are learning to write persuasive arguments, your teachers say things like "show don't tell." Your entire post is just telling me what you want me to think, and none of it is an argument in the slightest.

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I did "LOL" at you telling me I showed no respect.

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Can you post anything of meaning in this thread? Is it even possible for you to try to have a reasonable argument here, or are you going to keep beating around the bush and go on with your power trip?

[ZBTHorton]

Justin, don't be a meanie.

Cheers,
Brian

[Soulman]

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But I really do agree that a forum split is probably necessary. My only real complaint is that I will have to open 3 browsers instead of two. Which is a [censored] while multi-tabling.

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Seriously dude and for the love of God, download Internet Explorer 7.0 or Firefox, so you can have tabs and forget about tons of windows. You must be the last ph.d. on Earth not to have done this [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Also, my name is Soulman, and I approve of a forum split.

[misclick odds]

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The sarcasm was the entire post. It is not happening because it is hard enough to get high stakes players to help low stakes players as it is, separating the boards would only increase this chasm. Thus, it isn't happening. 2+2 is a place for everyone to learn and grow, not for a select few to graduate to a high stakes board and forget about the low stakes players that used to be their peers. That is why.

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its funny how im the only other one who would expect that to happen, which we all know it would. and the people who want the split...nearly all ARE high stakes players...coincidence?

[Jurollo]

I will say this. If you think MTTs sucks another forum isn't the answer. [censored] advice will find its way in there too. I will start making people tag their posts in MTTs with buyin and deal with it that. Just by hiding the true problem in MTTs doesn't really fix it long term. The real problem is that there is a group of posters who have, in their eyes, outgrown MTTs as it stands so they want something new, when in reality the real issue is that they think they have outgrown it and stopped posting.

Within every posters lifespan their comes a time when the utility they receive from the forums decreases to the point where they are left at a crossroads, move to total self-analysis or continue to participate and try to learn. My thought is that all of you who are backing up the split are in this category. I want as many people as possible to keep posting but I also want the low stakes posters to have a working relationship with those that have worked themselves up. In the end the general feeling is that those posters that have used this forum to become better players should, in turn, give back to the forum and continue to help low stakes posters. A high stakes forum would hinder this symbiotic relationship between new players and old. That is why I am so staunchly against it.

[ZBTHorton]

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The problem with the MTT forum in its current state is not just that it mostly contains low stakes posts, it's that it's largely focused on hand decisions and hand advice.

A tournament strategy forum's main focus should be on the situations, dynamics, and nuances that make tournament poker different than cash poker, the strategies employed to take advantage of them, and how to improve your play in those situations.



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Agreed.

Problem is, so many of these types of posts need to be like 2 pages long, because there are so many things to describe. Very few posters are going to write these, few posters are good enough to reply to these, and they are almost always going to end up being a "read based" response. Which, kinda sucks when your looking for advice.

[LearnedfromTV]

Separate MTTC and Tournament Circuit forums make total sense, and so does a buyin split. It's not elitist or lame or anything like that. Higher buyin tournaments play significantly differently than lower buyins. The same reason cash game forums are split. Hands from the 109r belong in the same forum with 4/180 hands as much as 2knl hands belong with 100nl hands. It's not an insult to 4/180 players to say that the hand ranges/opponent strategies involved in those hands will be significantly different.

Honestly I don't care. I haven't played that many multis the past few months, I post in MTT sometimes, I read the good threads, and I respond to lower buyin threads - not a ton, but some. But a HS/SS split would create two good forums dedicated to what are essentially different games.

So do whatever, Jurollo, but Ansky's right.

[Matt24]

I read only the last 2 pages, but to me, I think if just a "known" player posts hands or whatever in the MTT strat forum, then he is going to get a lot more responses from other "known" players whose opinions he may respect. If someone you don't respect replies just ignore it... seems simple to me, but I dont know, I'm a simple guy. Maybe the forum will be more active this summer when there are WSOP hands to post and all that.

For me though, its just way more simpler to send an aim to a few friends who I respect

[LearnedfromTV]

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Agreed.

Problem is, so many of these types of posts need to be like 2 pages long, because there are so many things to describe. Very few posters are going to write these, few posters are good enough to reply to these, and they are almost always going to end up being a "read based" response. Which, kinda sucks when your looking for advice.

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Stuff like this is kind of why hsnl sucks at times; or at least, why there's a lot of meh between the gems. But I think a higher buyin MTT forum would be a lot more similar to MSNL, which does a good job of balancing quick-hit (even in complex situations) hand advice with posts and threads that get into deeper, more general theory stuff.

Basically, MSNL is full of a bunch of good poker thinkers who still have a lot to figure out, and that comes out in the content. HSMTT would be the same, imo.

[ZBTHorton]

All,

For those of you who really think this new split is such a no brainer, I can promise you this without any doubt.

If Jurollo, Badger, and I make a thread in the mod forum to talk about this, we are going to need to prove that we have a need for this forum.

Given the extremely low amount of high stakes posts in MTT right now, we are going to get shot down immediately.

So if you really think we need this forum, prove it. Make some posts. Let's see what happens.