Dare I say it

[shaundeeb]

exile jurollo(just kiddening)

[Jurollo]

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exile jurollo(just kiddening)

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Vintage deeb-lish

[Ansky]

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Stop being idiots. Its not being split again. Deal.

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who is being an idiot?

Did you read the responses in the thread?

I dont think you quite realize what a dick you are coming off as in this post.

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Captain Serious,
Please note the sarcasm. But alas, it is not being split, I am sorry but it isnt happening as long as I mod here. So lets move on.
~J

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heres an idea... no!

Where was the sarcasm in "stop being idiots, its not being split, deal" when you just confirmed that it is indeed not being split?

Do you expect that its sufficient in a thread where literally 90% of the respected MTT posters ask for a split, you come in and say "i am mod, i dont want to split, case closed."

PPL don't post in MTTs becuase it is a [censored] horrific strategy board, if you are satisfied with that, that is fine, but I don't know what world you live in if you think you saying "it's not happening because i said so" is a sufficient [censored] answer.

Is it so unreasonable to 1) Ask for a reasonable explanation why not, or 2) Have you show some respect for those who are making a very reasonable request, especially from those ~10 or so posters who have contributed more than the next 100 posters in MTT?

[Jurollo]

The sarcasm was the entire post. It is not happening because it is hard enough to get high stakes players to help low stakes players as it is, separating the boards would only increase this chasm. Thus, it isn't happening. 2+2 is a place for everyone to learn and grow, not for a select few to graduate to a high stakes board and forget about the low stakes players that used to be their peers. That is why.

[Ansky]

Then explain the existence of high stakes forums at all? Why is there a hs limit for, a midstakes nl forum, etc etc etc...?

Your entire argument makes no sense, MTT in it's current state helps the lowest low stakes players, and probably no one else. Aside from Bond and occasional others there is almost no high stakes traffic.

Everyone here wants to split, and we have all made reasonable arguments. You just come on and say 2+2 is lamo group learning place and we want to appease the 1+.20 players, and therefore Jurollo's iron fist is saying no.

2+2 still has some of the best discussion daily for high stakes limit and high stakes NL players- because of the presence of a high stakes board in each respective game. High stakes MTT hands so rarely get posted because there is no exclusive high stakes MTT board.

[Jurollo]

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Then explain the existence of high stakes forums at all? Why is there a hs limit for, a midstakes nl forum, etc etc etc...?

Your entire argument makes no sense, MTT in it's current state helps the lowest low stakes players, and probably no one else. Aside from Bond and occasional others there is almost no high stakes traffic.

Everyone here wants to split, and we have all made reasonable arguments. You just come on and say 2+2 is lamo group learning place and we want to appease the 1+.20 players, and therefore Jurollo's iron fist is saying no.

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Cash games are different for one thing. And I am sorry this doesn't make sense to you. We have split it once, and twice (for MTTc and Tournament Circuit) I do not see anything close to a compelling reason to split again. People like to complain. If you have hands, then post them. Don't post about wanting a specific HS forum to post it in. I will guarantee you this, if we get a high stakes forum, in 6 months there will be an outcry for that to be split too. It is the nature of this board and right now, the best thing for this board is to keep things together in MTTs.

[Nogatsira]

I vote no since the nits will only get nitty advice [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
(including me [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img])

[Ansky]

Remember in elementary school when you are learning to write persuasive arguments, your teachers say things like "show don't tell." Your entire post is just telling me what you want me to think, and none of it is an argument in the slightest.

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Cash games are different for one thing.

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how so? Most 1+.20 hands are as different from a 10k buy in hand as 1/2 nl is different from 10/20 nl.

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And I am sorry this doesn't make sense to you.

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It is not a question of making sense or not, it is a question of you showing no one the respect they deserve in this thread. A lot of respected posters have made some good arguments which you have yet to address.

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We have split it once, and twice (for MTTc and Tournament Circuit) I do not see anything close to a compelling reason to split again.

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First of all, these were both good splits. Secondly, what does that have to do with splitting it based on stakes? Oh and you want a compelling reason? Did you read the thread? How about the fact that the MTTf is horrible, that is a reason. How about the fact that all the high stakes players have said they don't post cause it sucks, and they will post more if there were a high stakes forum. Those are reasons. I have yet to see anything to discount these reasons.

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People like to complain.

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indeed.

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If you have hands, then post them. Don't post about wanting a specific HS forum to post it in.

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ummmm why not? Do you realize ppl post 10k event hands in hsnl because they see MTT as about as useful of a forum as ssnl to their situations?


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I will guarantee you this, if we get a high stakes forum, in 6 months there will be an outcry for that to be split too.

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First of all, I disagree with this. Secondly, who the [censored] cares? We are all making an "outcry," because of its relevance currently. We are all saying this because it is increasingly more necessary. If in 6 months we find something else that is necessary, why is this a bad thing? If it is because there is too much work to be done, then delegate a new mod.



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It is the nature of this board and right now, the best thing for this board is to keep things together in MTTs.

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OK, so... like 25 ppl agree with me, all regular MTT player/posters, and then theres you and 1 idiot in this thread against the split. Thanks for telling us what is best. Clearly we were all mistaken.

Honestly I hate internet drama, I can't think of anything lamer, but you seriously are coming off as very unreasonable and shortsighted. It's pretty clearly the case, and I really don't see why you are so averse to what everyone clearly sees is a good idea.

[gobboboy]

Justin, you're being very condescending here. I think it's a great idea to split the forum, and this has been an idea that's been out there LONG before MTT Community was ever proposed. MTTs gets very little traffic and even less from the players who have contributed a lot in the past and those who have benefited a lot from the forum (me, for one) in the past few years. Wading through tons of threads asking about trivial things is annoying and sometimes the good posts are left in the muck when they raise interesting questions.

I don't see why we SHOULDN'T split the forums, at least for a little bit. But if you're going to essentially end all discussion in this thread about something that would bring together a lot of very good players towards some new discussion (and an idea that a fellow mod happens to support quite a bit) then you better give some damn good reasons other than 'well, mtt's are different from cash games!' O RLY?

[Jurollo]

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Remember in elementary school when you are learning to write persuasive arguments, your teachers say things like "show don't tell." Your entire post is just telling me what you want me to think, and none of it is an argument in the slightest.

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I did "LOL" at you telling me I showed no respect.