NL25 KK with A high flop

[jose_marti]

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I would c-bet this.

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Please don't ever c-bet this.

[PoliticalRefugee]

Ok, firstly the second post in this thread was by tehDiceman. I may be wrong but are you not playing 5NL?? If people answer here when they are playing these stakes then at least make that clear and put the reason why you would c-bet. If you can't beat 5NL/10NL - something that took me 2 weeks, then don't offer advice, join in in the conversation.

I don't want some amateur who can't beat 25NL telling me how to play. /end rant

Secondly I didn't want to c-bet this flop as if I'm called then I'm dead meat basically even to JJ QQ as I'm not gonna be putting any more money in the pot.

After reading an article on WA/WB I feel more confident in my play.

Thanks for those who commented and gave decent reasons. It is why I joined these forums

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[bozzer]

wow wtf? the guy gave some advice to a 10 post poster. just because you play 25nl doesn't mean you're better than him.

besides, 'advice' doesn't have to be 'accurate': he's improving by posting and getting involved in the discussion. all the advice here comes with that caveat.

[Xanta]

$1.5 is my standard preflop, I just like to treat minraisers as 2 limpers. Checking the flop is good. It allows you to get value out of lower pocket pairs, and you will never ever fold an ace with a cbet. On the turn, the same kind of logic applies. Folding is pretty weak, but again raising chases out all the middle pocket pairs in his range, and he's rarely folding an ace. I call here, and might fold the river depending on how big he bets.

[Xanta]

This thread makes me cry.

1) The merits of a post lie in the logic of the posted content, not the level that the poster plays or how well they beat it. You come off like an ass and it makes me not want to post in your threads anymore. He should post a reason (especially since he's wrong) but that was uncalled for.
2) Mega-lol at the guys saying raise more preflop to fold out A2-AJ. You realize that we're a 72/28 favorite, don't you? Not only that, but we'll have a very good idea of when we're beat on the flop, it's not like we're pricing in 56 that can stack us when he flops a well hidden hand. Oh god that logic is awful.
3) IF YOU BET THE FLOP, YOU DO NOT FIND OUT IF YOUR KK IS GOOD. IF YOU BET THE FLOP, VILLAIN WILL NEVER FOLD ANY ACE - PEOPLE DONT CALL ACE RAG PREFLOP SO THAT THEY CAN FOLD TOP PAIR TO A CBET. IF YOU BET THE FLOP, YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD CHANCE ON PUSHING OUT 44-QQ WHICH YOU CAN GET A LOT OF VALUE FROM ON LATER STREETS IF YOU DON'T CBET. IF YOU CHECK THE FLOP, YOU CONTROL THE POT SIZE WITH A MARGINAL HAND, ALLOW YOURSELF TO GET VALUE FROM WORSE, AND YOU DON'T TURN POCKET KINGS INTO A BLUFF



HYACHACHACHACHACHACHA

[jose_marti]

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3) IF YOU BET THE FLOP, YOU DO NOT FIND OUT IF YOUR KK IS GOOD. IF YOU BET THE FLOP, VILLAIN WILL NEVER FOLD ANY ACE - PEOPLE DONT CALL ACE RAG PREFLOP SO THAT THEY CAN FOLD TOP PAIR TO A CBET. IF YOU BET THE FLOP, YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD CHANCE ON PUSHING OUT 44-QQ WHICH YOU CAN GET A LOT OF VALUE FROM ON LATER STREETS IF YOU DON'T CBET. IF YOU CHECK THE FLOP, YOU CONTROL THE POT SIZE WITH A MARGINAL HAND, ALLOW YOURSELF TO GET VALUE FROM WORSE, AND YOU DON'T TURN POCKET KINGS INTO A BLUFF

HYACHACHACHACHACHACHA

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QFTMFS

[PoliticalRefugee]

OK, I read back what I said and admit that I was a little out of line.

It's just that I've put in my original post what my thought process has been and then am being given wrong (I think I am entitled to say this) advice by somebody who from reading previous posts is not playing at a high level.

That is not to say I think that he is a bad player or I'm better than him, but that I don't want to take his direction of play at face value.

@bozzer: Obviously we are all here to learn, you say that "he's improving by posting and getting involved in the discussion." The point that I'm trying to make is that saying "I usually c-bet" is not discussing, it's stating a play. I want to know what people's thought processes and why they would c-bet are and what mine should be as that is much more beneficial to me and I believe to others reading the post.

Again sorry if I've caused offence.

[Pegasus]

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Ok, firstly the second post in this thread was by tehDiceman. I may be wrong but are you not playing 5NL?? If people answer here when they are playing these stakes then at least make that clear and put the reason why you would c-bet. If you can't beat 5NL/10NL - something that took me 2 weeks, then don't offer advice, join in in the conversation.

I don't want some amatuer who can't beat 25NL telling me how to play. /end rant

Secondly I didn't want to c-bet this flop as if I'm called then I'm dead meat basically even to JJ QQ as I'm not gonna be putting any more money in the pot.

After reading an article on WA/WB I feel more confident in my play.

Thanks for those who commented and gave decent reasons. It is why I joined these forums

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Then go post this in HSNL

[Kasane]

You need to give us a read of your opponent. You've been playing him -- it doesn't matter if you have PT or not. Playing w/o PT is good for your game if you're observant. I found playing on my Mac w/o PT has been very, very, very good for my game. Improved my handreading wonderfully.

So, what kind of guy is your min-raiser? Is he doing it a lot? a little? Only raise he every makes? Is it small pairs, A-rag, or monsters?

I'd raise flop a tad more, as it is, you're giving pretty good odds to any pair or suited connector type hand. But you're IP, so it's not that bad at all. Just a quibble. If you're in the blinds, I'd definitely pop it more.

I think you answered your own questions on the turn.