NL25 KK with A high flop
 

Ok, firstly he's played a stupid little min raise so is $1.5 ok here? It's what I usually do.

On the flop i doubt he'd holded 45 and theres no flush draws out so the Ace is my only problem. Now I dont like raising because I only get called by an Ace or a bluff which could ultimately make me fold. I check hoping he's holding JJ QQ or something which will make him bluff the turn.

Now he's bet the turn do I call/raise or fold.

1) Folding I don't like, I've showed weakness on that flop so he could easily be betting
2) Calling, I like this here as I can then call a moderate river bet that he might be making with a lower pp. If he bets hard then I probably fold
3) Raising, surely if I raise I'm chasing out the hands that will try and bluff me on the river and asking for trouble from the hands that beat me, i.e. any Ace?

Anyway if someone can comment on my thought process that would be great.

Cheers

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($25)
Hero ($36.75)
SB ($14.40)
BB ($31.50)
UTG ($9.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $1.

Flop: ($3.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($3.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $3.35</font>, Hero ??????

Re: NL25 KK with A high flop
 

I would c-bet this.

Re: NL25 KK with A high flop
 

i cbet this as well in position. if he calls you will probably have to slowdown unless you improve.

Re: NL25 KK with A high flop
 

I make it more like $2.25 preflop. Also you don't have to c-bet here, checking behind induces a lot of bluffs, but it's also going to make him think a weak ace is good. It all depends on what his minraising range is. Include stats or reads next time.

Re: NL25 KK with A high flop
 

Sorry was pkaying without pokertracker as was on a mac so no stats.

My thinking with the weak ace is that if he's calling with A7 then he's hit and will call it down, so by checking behind he thinks I'll fire out a bet and when i call I expect him to check on the river and I can check behind. A decent Ace waiting for me to c-bet checks then leads turn and then river for a fair amount which I can then get away from or call if the odds are too good.

Re: NL25 KK with A high flop
 

You need to find out if your KK is good on that flop so bet right out...even if he calls it doesn't mean you're beat, additionally a check raise on his part doesn't mean you're beat either he could just be trying to see if a lower PP is good (this is very player specific though).

If he calls you should play pot control and try to get to showdown.

As played you're in a difficult spot as now he probably thinks you're weak and can make it very tough for you.

Re: NL25 KK with A high flop
 

Why did you raise from 0.5 to 1.5, firstly I would raise at least to 2$ to fold out weak aces A2-AJ etc... also you should always be leading or betting A high flops (HU) as many times they will not be holding the A or will give you credit for a higher A. The pot is ~3.50 so I would fire a ~3$ bet into this. If he calls there I would check behind on turn, and call a small bet on river if he fires.

Re: NL25 KK with A high flop
 

1. raise more pf
2. flop check is good, nobody in the history of NL25 has ever folded an ace here
3. call turn
4. fold to a moderate to big river bet

Re: NL25 KK with A high flop
 

$2.25 preflop.

I cbet this flop just because its cheaper than calling turn and river when you show weakness on the flop.

As played I'd just fold turn.

Re: NL25 KK with A high flop
 

no problem with checking the flop in position. basic WA/WB folks.

That does mean you should probably stick around on the turn. The question is do you raise or just call?

Raising costs ~$12 (somewhat less than a PSR of $18 due to RR pot). If he bets into you on the river you can fold. If he checks the river you can decide whether to check or value bet. Either way, this should be the last money you're putting into the hand unless you're confident about winning more.

Calling costs ~$3. If he bets again you then have a tough decision. For argument's sake let's say if he pots it again you'll fold, but if he halfpots it you'll call. That'll cost another $4.5. The breakeven point for how much you commit to the hand is if you were to call a PSB ($9+$3).

Calling here gets more value from bluffs, while raising turns your hand into a bluff (might fold weak aces). I call and call up to a PSB on the river.