$50 HUSNG -- Top pair Call Station - Page 2

ArtMonkRules · #11 10-04-2006, 02:51 PM

I would definately make the call... It's hard to tell with any certainty that you have the best hand, especially with no reads on your opponent other than "he's loose" but I don't think you can afford to fold here when if you do have the best hand your opponent will be crippled, and if you don't have the best hand, you'll still be close to even in chips and you'll have some addiitional insight into what your oppont is willing to call post flop.

Nichomacheo · #12 10-04-2006, 05:29 PM

Yes, paying for information is definitely an aspect of Heads Up play that most players dont consider. In order for it to be worth it though, you have to be an adept hand reader, which most people arent.

A0566 · #13 10-10-2006, 05:07 PM

Did you end up revealing what the villain had, or is there a way to find that information?

Nichomacheo · #14 10-10-2006, 05:14 PM

97.

A0566 · #15 10-11-2006, 04:50 AM

Thanks. Makes complete sense. The min-raise seems like an extracter. Of course, I may be speaking from hindsight. No, I am speaking from hindsight.

I probably would have ended up calling though.

BobAllinSki · #16 10-12-2006, 10:44 AM

720 in the pot, 140 to call, you have top pair good kicker you are going to win way more than the 16% required to call here, there is some merit to checking here, a queen is likely to have bet the flop and a 9 is all over you, but I would expect a 2 or a king to call this suspicious looking bet often enough to make betting more attractive than check calling.

MEJG2 · #17 10-12-2006, 10:59 AM

I disagree; this is a clear check, call on the river. You have a hand that has good showdown value, but you want a cheap showdown. The A on the river and 2 9's are scare cards, you are going to lose more money calling reraise here or folding to reraises then you will make by an inferior hand flat calling your raise. You now need 2 calls by a K or 2 to make up for this bet and call. Phil G. talks about this in his green book.

BobAllinSki · #18 10-12-2006, 12:29 PM

The ace isnt that scary, and I'd expect to get paid off by weaker aces, pocket pairs and even the odd king sometimes here, as sizable raise is an easy fold, the raise in question is a fairly easy call

Nichomacheo · #19 10-12-2006, 12:44 PM

Weaker aces split with me and I dont get much from pocket pairs given that I can easily have an ace here.

If I bet, I only get called by an ace and an unlikely queen. I might get raised, and be committed to call.

If I check, he bets, and I have no idea where I am and am faced with a call. If I check, what size bets do you call on the river?

MEJG2 · #20 10-12-2006, 02:24 PM

Anything $160 or less without a great read. Unless he is a true manic, I doubt your opponent puts a bet in here for more than $200 without having you crushed. And now you only have to win it 1 in 3 times to make it correct.

At the $50 level, I don't think you are going to win 1 in 3 when there is a reraise like this and now you have invested 2x as much. The worst hand that will RR here is Ax and you tie most of them and lose to AQ or AK.

So the bet is only correct if you plan to fold to a RR, I think this is a clear Check Call.