Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse - Page 11

iron81 · #**101** 09-27-2006, 04:05 PM

Steve, some of the agencies involved in that report were responsible for some faulty intel in Iraq. However, some of the agencies were not involved in those screwups. In addition, the main liberal criticism was not that the intelligence agencies screwed up, but rather that the Administration got good intel from the agencies and twisted it to suit their ends.

Copernicus · #**102** 09-27-2006, 04:07 PM

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Steve, some of the agencies involved in that report were responsible for some faulty intel in Iraq. However, some of the agencies were not involved in those screwups. In addition, the main liberal criticism was not that the intelligence agencies screwed up, but rather that the Administration got good intel from the agencies and twisted it to suit their ends.

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for which there was never a shred of evidence and the 9/11 commission agreed.

steve9789 · #**103** 09-27-2006, 04:25 PM

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Steve, some of the agencies involved in that report were responsible for some faulty intel in Iraq. However, some of the agencies were not involved in those screwups. In addition, the main liberal criticism was not that the intelligence agencies screwed up, but rather that the Administration got good intel from the agencies and twisted it to suit their ends.

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Thanks for clearing that up. Alright, well between the two situations, is it safe for us to put much stock in this report? Furthermore, does the fact that the conclusions were reached in February of this year still make the report accurate 6 months later?

In regards to the Administration twisting the intelligence, are you familiar with the findings of the Robb-Silverman report?

iron81 · #**104** 09-27-2006, 05:05 PM

As far as whether you find the report credible, there is so much information floating around on this issue that no one source can positively prove anything. I don't think the time lag would have much to do with anything because if anything terrorism has increased since then (Iraqi civil war, London terror plot). And I was not familliar with that report. I read the summary and it does argues that the screwup was largely the intelligence communitiy's fault instead of the Administration. Although the commission was formed by the President, it is bi-partisan enough that I can't dismiss it as a partisan hack job. While I have heard too much to blindly accept the commission's report, it is certainly interesting.

Robb-Silverman Report

kurto · #**105** 09-27-2006, 05:26 PM

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Steve, some of the agencies involved in that report were responsible for some faulty intel in Iraq. However, some of the agencies were not involved in those screwups. In addition, the main liberal criticism was not that the intelligence agencies screwed up, but rather that the Administration got good intel from the agencies and twisted it to suit their ends.

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for which there was never a shred of evidence and the 9/11 commission agreed.

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What? Powell has talked about how he was pressured into including stuff in his testimony to the UN that he didn't think was right. There was the stuff like passing off the Niger documents which our intelligence agencies had concluded were forgeries. Furthermore, I remember reading throughout the buildup to the war different agencies giving contradictory evidence. You may recall that this led to Bush setting up their own Seperate Intelligence office that would provide more 'bush friendly' interpretations of the evidence.

steve9789 · #**106** 09-27-2006, 05:36 PM

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As far as whether you find the report credible, there is so much information floating around on this issue that no one source can positively prove anything. I don't think the time lag would have much to do with anything because if anything terrorism has increased since then (Iraqi civil war, London terror plot). And I was not familliar with that report. I read the summary and it does argues that the screwup was largely the intelligence communitiy's fault instead of the Administration. Although the commission was formed by the President, it is bi-partisan enough that I can't dismiss it as a partisan hack job. While I have heard too much to blindly accept the commission's report, it is certainly interesting.

Robb-Silverman Report

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This is an example of what makes you my favorite socialist.. err liberal. LOL We keep it "above the fray".

Enough of the flattery. Do you believe the London terror plot was a result of the allied invasion of Iraq? I am not aware of any findings that proves this point.

iron81 · #**107** 09-27-2006, 05:55 PM

I think there's a good chance. Remember that Britain was completely off the map as far as Islamic terrorism before the Iraqi war. This is because Britan got out of the Muslim oppressing business after they gave up their colonies after WWII. Now, Britain is a member of the Coalition of the Willing. This was a unpopular move over there and I believe it is possible that Iraq did in fact motivate both the latest plot and the train bombings.

Copernicus · #**108** 09-27-2006, 06:09 PM

I thought al Qaeda didnt care about and had no connections with a secular Iraq? Why would the threat increase as a result?

Their assesment might be a bit different than yours as well, since they passed their major anti-terrorism legislation in 2000, well before Iraq.

kurto · #**109** 09-27-2006, 06:32 PM

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I thought al Qaeda didnt care about and had no connections with a secular Iraq? Why would the threat increase as a result?

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You REALLY can't think of a few good reasons on your own?

Copernicus · #**110** 09-27-2006, 07:33 PM

The premise has strong parallels with global warming.

Have average temperatures increased? yes
Has terrorism increased? yes

Is temperature increase attributable to human activity? There are logical arguments why it might be, there are logical arguments why it might not be.

Is Iraq resposible for the terrorism increase?
There are logical arguments on both sides of that issue.

Is there science to back up the claim of human responsibility? Some, but controversial

Is there science to back up the claim that Iraq has increased terrorism? None, and none is possible, because the conditions are not reproducible.

I would guess that there is a lot of overlap between individuals who are on the same side of global warming and Iraq.