OK seriously, what besides AA could he have?

[Requin]

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OK seriously, what besides AA could he have?

[/ QUOTE ] If you only call big reraises with AA...anything.

[adanthar]

FWIW I would never* push here, be it with AA, KK or 72o. I much prefer calling. This by no means implies I wouldn't play the hand for all my chips, just that when my opponent is *representing* AA when I have KK, I prefer to let him keep representing it.

*The times that I would push here involve specific reads or some sort of tricky payout situation, but I would not push by default early in a tournament.

[davidross]

I wouldn't play any hands except AA and KK that way, so one of the reasons I posted it is to see if any decent player does. Of course there is no telling what a donk might do, but usually the donk blind raises are when a bunch of players limp in, not an UTG raise.

How would you play TT from the BB?

I think a real top notch player gets away from this hand with minimal damage. Maybe I'm wrong but I think if I want to be as good as I think I can be, i need to make big laydowns too.

[davidross]

Well he has no idea what I would rall a big re-raise with, and if I folded KK he'd still never know. If I've seen someone make plays like this a few times it would be easier to discredit the raise

[davidross]

very constructive reply.

And in what possible way is KK losing to AA a bad beat??

[BPA234]

Here is what I think:

1. Blind reraises for that amount can often mean 1010-KK/AK, or less or even any two
2. Discounting weak hands and a bluff play. Assume only the the best likely hands making that play AKs/KK/QQ/AA/JJ/1010

Obviously, KK is a push in most mtt settings. I don't play on Party. But, I have to assume that the range above is reasonable.

I have folded KK pre-flop twice so far. Both times, because I put the villain on AA. In both instances, there was heavy action in front of the villain's push and the villains were players that were very, very unlikely to push anything other than AA.

From your description, I would, at minimum, call and push an Ace free flop. I would probably reraise to a pot committing amount, preflop and push the flop.


Beyond that, if you had a read for AA that you were convinced was right, than go ahead and fold. The only problem is if you had this read here, I don't see it from your description.

[cardsharkk04]

I think you need a very specific read on this player in order to get away from this hand...and since you don't have that read you should call here and then play for all your chips on a non ace flop.

[Ansky]

call.

[teddyFBI]

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very constructive reply.

And in what possible way is KK losing to AA a bad beat??

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I think what he means is that if you hit your 20% shot and spike a King and double-up, you don't make this post or even give the hand another thought for the rest of your life, reasoning that of COURSE it was correct to call/push with KK.
Hence, results-oriented.

And it was a bad beat in the same way that losing top boat to bottom quads is a bad beat. Doesn't necessarily mean that opponent played incorrectly at any point in the hand...just that there was only a tiny fraction of hands that you could have been behind, and that's exactly what villain held.

[nath]

It's more a "cold deck" than a "bad beat" if we're talking semantics.
But yes, it's hard to narrow down the second raise as strictly AA, even that big, unless your opponent is the esteemed Tighty McNuts.