deep stack live

[fired_fury]

5/10 nl with 20 bring in at turningstone...you have 4k and stacks range from 1.5-5k

you've been sitting at the table for about 45 minutes and have probably been too active

hero has J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the sb and tight UTG player limps for 20 with about 1500 behind; a not too active player min raises to 40 from mp with 4k behind; you call and utg limper calls

flop Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and utg check, mp bets 100, you call 100 and utg folds

turn A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

plans?

[AZK]

check raise.

[fired_fury]

assuming villian is not very active, do you really think you have folding equity here? what range of hands do you put villian on to make this play optimal

[Requin]

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assuming villian is not very active, do you really think you have folding equity here? what range of hands do you put villian on to make this play optimal

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AZK, tell me if I'm wrong in this, but I think he's CRing to represent a set or, occaisonally, air. If this is the case, villain is often folding, sometimes calling, but pretty much never raising, so at least you get to see the river.

[Shaun]

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assuming villian is not very active, do you really think you have folding equity here? what range of hands do you put villian on to make this play optimal

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If he has KQ, KK, or just about anything other than two pair, AK, or a set he can certainly fold to a checkraise.

Good thing about a check-raise is that your stack is deep enough so that if he does have a set or two pair and doesn't price you out, you stand to get paid with your somewhat hidden draw should you hit, especially if you hit the straight.

[creedofhubris]

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check raise.

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You realize how deep these stacks are, AZK? pot is ~300 and the effective stack size is 3800. Does that influence your decision?

(IMO live guys never fold anything, there's plenty of room here to get paid, and we can call a pot bet with this draw, so I like check/call.)

[AZK]

my bad, i read it as 1500....yeah, check raise not a good idea...

[AZK]

well, wtf does his minraise pfr mean.

[gol4pro]

Cr is Goot. He folds a lot.

[mikech]

i don't like the flop call oop with a gutshot. but since you got to the turn, i think it's a check-call here. your draws are very disguised: the flush is backdoor, and both straights are gutshots; if you hit, it sets up a river c/r perfectly.