Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8

[fishyak]

I am very new at O/8. I play live 3/6 w/ a full kill at Commerce. I enjoy the game if, particularly if you have the right (loose passive) kind of table that works for LHE.

I am looking for advice on adjusting my game. I am really looking for tips on post-flop play. I am comfortable with my standards for pre-flop hand selection, but any brilliant insight would, of course be appreciated.

I had a long session live Sat. that prompted this question. I had a night of an oversupply of good hands that either got counterfeited or were diamond flush draws that never delivered. Now since it is the same deck of 52 cards, I am counting outs and odds the same way I do in LHE. Did I just encounter a really "odd" night, or am I missing something here?

So any insights into transistioning into being a better 3/6 limit O/8 player would be appreciated.

[Frond]

Myself, I play very tight in O8 and I play at the 3-6 level right now just as you do. I would say that the biggest mistake I see a lot of people doing is merely chasing down a marginal low draw with nothing at all for a high. Esp. with only a few in on the hand. This is actually a great thing for players like me though so I welcome it from other players. If you are just playing for half the pot, remember to adjust your pot odds accordingly. Don't discount high only hands in later positions or ealrier positions if you think that there won't be any PF raises as well. They have great potential at times to scoop.

[adenosine]

My suggestion is to remember that getting half a pot sucks. As the previous poster mentioned, remember that if you're drawing to half a pot, you need take into account that you're only getting 50% of the pot if you win. I've done a lot better in the very loose live 3-6 game that I play in once I started once I started going almost exclusively for scoops.

[T50_Omaha8]

Here are four spots I see HE players make huge mistakes. The first two come from transfering their HE instincts in unprofitable ways. The third comes from trying to 'adust' to O8 by playing a draw that is terrible. The fourth is not realizing the strength of a potential scooper.

You have:
A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Board is:
8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Your line:
Check/fold

You have:
T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (in BB)
Board is:
8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Your line:
Check/fold

You have:
A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Board is:
K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Your line:
Check/fold

Your hand:
A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Board is:
J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Your line:
Push as many people as possible out of the hand. Make people cold call as many bets as possible to get heads up with nut draws that might not hit.

[fishyak]

Thanks for all the work, but I am left a little confused. What do you mean by "your line"? I can't tell if you believe this is the correct line or incorrect line.

Hand 1 I would not c/f.
Hand 2 I would check/call.
Hand 3 c/f makes sense to me.
Hand 4 bets away. Good potential every which way.

[adenosine]

Hand 2:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2239316
pokenum -o8 ts 8d 8h 4h - ac 2c 9h 7s - tc 9c 6h 5h -- 8c 7c 3d
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 666 enumerated boards containing 8c 7c 3d
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ts 8d 8h 4h 0 268 388 10 0 366 0 0.205
7s Ac 2c 9h 80 101 555 10 501 165 0 0.456
Tc 9c 6h 5h 60 277 369 20 165 501 0 0.339

when you are loosing to junk like T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], why call?

[bbartlog]

Check/folding hand 3 seems too passive to me (absent additional context). This is definitely a hand I would take a stab at (pot bet) if there were not too many other people in the pot; odds of someone having a K are not that high if only two other people saw the flop, and most people will not call unless they have a K, 88, or a nut flush draw (which they can't because you have it). And if someone does have the K but not K8 they are likely to check/call for fear of you having a better K, which may allow you to see two more cards (for backdoor low and/or flush) without paying more. Not that you don't risk being sandbagged by someone with a made FH, but as long as you're careful I think this is playable, or at least worth a steal attempt.

[T50_Omaha8]

I was talking about casino 3/6, so assuming multiway each hand. The KK8 one would be worth taking a shot at if it was SH and you were in late pos. But betting this in early position has huge reverse implied odds.

And thanks for the illustration adenosine.

[berserk]

[ QUOTE ]
Here are four spots I see HE players make huge mistakes. The first two come from transfering their HE instincts in unprofitable ways. The third comes from trying to 'adust' to O8 by playing a draw that is terrible. The fourth is not realizing the strength of a potential scooper.

You have:
A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Board is:
8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Your line:
Check/fold

You have:
T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (in BB)
Board is:
8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Your line:
Check/fold

You have:
A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Board is:
K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Your line:
Check/fold

Your hand:
A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Board is:
J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Your line:
Push as many people as possible out of the hand. Make people cold call as many bets as possible to get heads up with nut draws that might not hit.

[/ QUOTE ]

This might work for full table live games like OP was describing. However, online, especially 6 max online is such a spaz fest that none of these hands are check/fold for 1 bet. I think you need alot more context to make these lines correct.

Online 6 max, I'm check calling on hand one and even raising for a free card if I think the player is passive or is unlikely to have a3.

Hand 2 you're getting to showdown without reads and loads of action.

Hand 3 you're against a FH almost never at 6 max. If the pot is unraised and you're in a blind and it's 2 bets to you maybe you can fold. Otherwise any other line is better. Raising in position both to fold out bluffs (which are perpetual on paired boards at low stakes 6 max), for value, for free cards.

And pound hand 4.

[adenosine]

Hand one, 6-max, do you really think you can scoop the pot still? What are you looking for on the turn besides a diamond? Maybe a low card so you could play your a-2, or are you looking to get two pair with your Q or T?

Still hate hand two -- maybe I'm really weak, but anybody with clubs and a low is stomping you. I can't think of many cards I'd want to see except high non-clubs or a board pair that'd make me feel safe.