Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8
 

I am very new at O/8. I play live 3/6 w/ a full kill at Commerce. I enjoy the game if, particularly if you have the right (loose passive) kind of table that works for LHE.

I am looking for advice on adjusting my game. I am really looking for tips on post-flop play. I am comfortable with my standards for pre-flop hand selection, but any brilliant insight would, of course be appreciated.

I had a long session live Sat. that prompted this question. I had a night of an oversupply of good hands that either got counterfeited or were diamond flush draws that never delivered. Now since it is the same deck of 52 cards, I am counting outs and odds the same way I do in LHE. Did I just encounter a really "odd" night, or am I missing something here?

So any insights into transistioning into being a better 3/6 limit O/8 player would be appreciated.

Re: Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8
 

Myself, I play very tight in O8 and I play at the 3-6 level right now just as you do. I would say that the biggest mistake I see a lot of people doing is merely chasing down a marginal low draw with nothing at all for a high. Esp. with only a few in on the hand. This is actually a great thing for players like me though so I welcome it from other players. If you are just playing for half the pot, remember to adjust your pot odds accordingly. Don't discount high only hands in later positions or ealrier positions if you think that there won't be any PF raises as well. They have great potential at times to scoop.

Re: Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8
 

My suggestion is to remember that getting half a pot sucks. As the previous poster mentioned, remember that if you're drawing to half a pot, you need take into account that you're only getting 50% of the pot if you win. I've done a lot better in the very loose live 3-6 game that I play in once I started once I started going almost exclusively for scoops.

Re: Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8
 

Here are four spots I see HE players make huge mistakes. The first two come from transfering their HE instincts in unprofitable ways. The third comes from trying to 'adust' to O8 by playing a draw that is terrible. The fourth is not realizing the strength of a potential scooper.

You have:
A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Board is:
8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Your line:
Check/fold

You have:
T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (in BB)
Board is:
8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Your line:
Check/fold

You have:
A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Board is:
K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Your line:
Check/fold

Your hand:
A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Board is:
J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Your line:
Push as many people as possible out of the hand. Make people cold call as many bets as possible to get heads up with nut draws that might not hit.

Re: Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8
 

Thanks for all the work, but I am left a little confused. What do you mean by "your line"? I can't tell if you believe this is the correct line or incorrect line.

Hand 1 I would not c/f.
Hand 2 I would check/call.
Hand 3 c/f makes sense to me.
Hand 4 bets away. Good potential every which way.

Re: Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8
 

Hand 2:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2239316
pokenum -o8 ts 8d 8h 4h - ac 2c 9h 7s - tc 9c 6h 5h -- 8c 7c 3d
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 666 enumerated boards containing 8c 7c 3d
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ts 8d 8h 4h 0 268 388 10 0 366 0 0.205
7s Ac 2c 9h 80 101 555 10 501 165 0 0.456
Tc 9c 6h 5h 60 277 369 20 165 501 0 0.339

when you are loosing to junk like T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], why call?

Re: Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8
 

Check/folding hand 3 seems too passive to me (absent additional context). This is definitely a hand I would take a stab at (pot bet) if there were not too many other people in the pot; odds of someone having a K are not that high if only two other people saw the flop, and most people will not call unless they have a K, 88, or a nut flush draw (which they can't because you have it). And if someone does have the K but not K8 they are likely to check/call for fear of you having a better K, which may allow you to see two more cards (for backdoor low and/or flush) without paying more. Not that you don't risk being sandbagged by someone with a made FH, but as long as you're careful I think this is playable, or at least worth a steal attempt.

Re: Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8
 

I was talking about casino 3/6, so assuming multiway each hand. The KK8 one would be worth taking a shot at if it was SH and you were in late pos. But betting this in early position has huge reverse implied odds.

And thanks for the illustration adenosine.

Re: Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8
 

Hold'em players also make absolute tons of mistakes in O8. Don't raise good A2's in early position, AA79 is a fold unless you can isolate to a single low raising player, etc.. Similarly postflop, when you have bare lows/low draws don't raise with them when you're going to face opponents with 2 bets cold. Don't habitually raise to take free cards with lows/flushes. It's transparent and good players will make you pay, etc, etc.. LO8 is an entirely different game than LHE.

Re: Advice of adjustments from LHE to O/8
 

Another one, don't be afraid to occasionally raise in LP with a good 2 way holding. Some here will disagree with me about raising PF, but if you are playing tight and folding most of your starting hands anyways, you have a lot of limpers and you are say on the button with a good 2 way holding, I like to raise at times PF. I have found that promo raises in 3-6 O8 aren't worth it though. Also, I don't like to raise in EP's at all unless you can get it heads up or 3 way(not likely in LLO8) etc. Also, not all A2xx hands are good. Usually you can see the flop with them but know when to dump them like when 2 highs cards come out. A Lot of people love to chase the low in this situation. Bad idea! I personally think that a lot of A3 hands are way overrated as well. I try and see the flop with these but it is nice to have a flush or some high potential to go with it. 23xx hands you have to be careful with as well. Look for some high to go with it not just a naked low draw. Problem with 23xx hands is your not usually drawing to the nut flush. All in all for O8, like Todd Brunson said in his section on Stud hi-lo8/ob in SS2, scooping: The Platinum Rule. I try and play my split pot games with this simple rule in mind and everything else tends to follow suit.

PS. Don't make the mistake that I do once in a great while and chase a low. Very expensive.