Ethics of Shortstacking the 2k

[ahnuld]

Wondering what you guys think of this. I know alot of people who are 2k regulars hate people who do this (buying in for 400 and cashing out when you double up, then buying in short again) but it is very profitable. It is so easy to wait for a good hand like AQ+ 99+ or even 77 in some spots and move in on a lag player or move in when someone raises and gets a few loose callers.

Is this ethical? I know its poker and you should do whatever you want within the rules of the game, but I feel bad screwing up the game for the guys who are trying to play normal 100bb+ poker. Id like to hear some opinions.

[PocketElevens]

Never played anything near that limit so can't comment on that level.

I depsize when players come to the 100NL table with $20. Then preflop fold, fold, fold, ....... ALL-IN. Fold ..... ALL-IN.
You've raised up your AK, got one caller, then some short stacked jackass in the blinds always wants to make it a race of it with his 55. I guess they prefer poker over bingo.

But I put the blame solely on the poker site. The buy in limits should be 50-100BB. Mabey minimum 40x bb.

[soko]

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Never played anything near that limit so can't comment on that level.

I depsize when players come to the 100NL table with $20. Then preflop fold, fold, fold, ....... ALL-IN. Fold ..... ALL-IN.
You've raised up your AK, got one caller, then some short stacked jackass in the blinds always wants to make it a race of it with his 55. I guess they prefer poker over bingo.

But I put the blame solely on the poker site. The buy in limits should be 50-100BB. Mabey minimum 40x bb.

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This especially sucks when you have him dominated like when you're holding a bigger pocket pair, ya know? I hate when people push with garbage, let me just keep winning the blinds!!

(sarcasm)

[PocketElevens]

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Never played anything near that limit so can't comment on that level.

I depsize when players come to the 100NL table with $20. Then preflop fold, fold, fold, ....... ALL-IN. Fold ..... ALL-IN.
You've raised up your AK, got one caller, then some short stacked jackass in the blinds always wants to make it a race of it with his 55. I guess they prefer poker over bingo.

But I put the blame solely on the poker site. The buy in limits should be 50-100BB. Mabey minimum 40x bb.

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This especially sucks when you have him dominated like when you're holding a bigger pocket pair, ya know? I hate when people push with garbage, let me just keep winning the blinds!!

(sarcasm)

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completely misread what I was saying.

Of course I would like the situation you suggested. Who wouldn't?

[RubbleRobble]

I dont exactly understand why you (pocket11s) would be upset with the situation you described. You raise with AK and get a caller. Donk with 55 shoves. The fact that the money from the blinds + your raise + the caller between you and the donk means that, although your chance to win the pot is 50/50, the odds you are getting when you reshove are great. If you dont like getting your money in the center in +EV situations, then i dont think poker is the game for you...

-RubbleRobble

[PocketElevens]

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I dont exactly understand why you (pocket11s) would be upset with the situation you described. You raise with AK and get a caller. Donk with 55 shoves. The fact that the money from the blinds + your raise + the caller between you and the donk means that, although your chance to win the pot is 50/50, the odds you are getting when you reshove are great. If you dont like getting your money in the center in +EV situations, then i dont think poker is the game for you...

-RubbleRobble

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I used a bad example and did a terrible job of explaining the situation. I probably should of picked a hand like, theres 2 limpers and you call with JTs on the button.

I have been at a table where you have 5 players fully stacked, there to play poker at that limit. Someone buys in for the minimum and starts pusing with any pair, AK-AJ.

Everyone at the table are making comments like "F-ing short stacks, they need to up the min buy-in" because this person with no significant amount of money to win is ruining the flow of the game.

Mabey you're happy tightening up and "Waiting to spring the trap" on the guy with 20bb. I find it anoying. Difference of opinion, no big deal.

I don't mind doing this for the maniac who is fully stacked though, that's my favorite situation to be in.

[DrVanNostrin]

Ask the guys in the high stakes NL forum. I don't think they'd mind. There's nothing unethical about it. But you won't be able to make money in the long run doing this.

[ahnuld]

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Ask the guys in the high stakes NL forum. I don't think they'd mind. There's nothing unethical about it. But you won't be able to make money in the long run doing this.

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You would be amazed at some of the stuff they paid me off with. One CR on the turn got called by A6 for no pair and no draw. My trips won. Other times, they pay off with KQ allin preflop against my KK . Im not a 100nl shortstack player like the one described above. Moving in with 55 wasnt what I was doing, although, I did with 77 once when there was going to be my stack size in dead money. I think it is profitable long term as long as you have good game selection and a good understanding of preflop theory. Sklansky could kill those games.

[stigmata]

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Ask the guys in the high stakes NL forum. I don't think they'd mind. There's nothing unethical about it. But you won't be able to make money in the long run doing this.

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Read GSIH, and search for the previous threads on "short stacked NL". There is not much question that this is profitable in most games when executed correctly.

[ahnuld]

GHIS, what does this stand for