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Old 07-09-2007, 05:51 PM
bozlax bozlax is offline
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Default Re: WA/WB with second pair good kicker?

Not WA/WB. You have too many outs if behind, and the chances that you're ahead on the flop are almost zero, assuming:

1) your stat-read on this guy is over more than about 75 hands; and
B) you haven't actually SEEN him donkbet an ace high flop without TP or better.

So, the question becomes, do you have enough to PLAY the flop, not whether you're raising or calling. And, you don't. You need better than 7 outs to make the call getting 6:1, and you're not even close (you have to discount your two-pair/trips outs because, for this guy to donkbet you're likely already behind to aces-up or a set).

And, fwiw, to anybody who says "raise because (insert some random reason here)", that's dumb. Against this guy, all your raise is going to do is drive him underground but it will never win you the hand, and it only saves you half a bet to showdown. If you're compelled to show it down for some reason, just calldown, but there's no shame in just letting it go on the flop.
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