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MyPTBB100isPOOP 09-15-2007 05:39 PM

Vidoe HH, and question from msnl player.
 
I posted this in msnl and got no response, so quite naturally i assume that you all would be crawling to do so!!

Gandolf Vs T.Brunson.

This hand isnt incredibly interesting, but illustrates a question Ive had about top level players, and what statistical, or mathematical knowlege they have commited to memory. It is easy to assemble, using pokerstove, a hand range in which you are getting the right price to call against, but here in a live setting, or even in an online setting, as you couldnt really pop up pokerstove and run the numbers everytime a tough situation came up, what kind of mathematical "facts" have you commited to memory which allow you to make this call. If you know (hypothetically) that the hands he holds which have you beat were TT/55/77, what do you have to have memorized, that would allow you to construct a hand range you could profitably call against.

I.E. I know that I am 12% vs that range, I also know that every flush draw he holds gives me X% more equity every PP I beat gives me X% more equity etc. etc.

Do great players, have memorized, what their equity is vs ranges that beat them, and know specifically how exact hands change that equity?? If not, what is fundamentally common?

Chaoslord 09-15-2007 06:10 PM

Re: Vidoe HH, and question from msnl player.
 
well obviously todds hand here has to be either a big draw or a set so jman decided correctly he can call getting about 2-1 and with a lot of different draws possible, u dont need a calculator to figure that out

Apathy 09-15-2007 06:28 PM

Re: Vidoe HH, and question from msnl player.
 
In short, yes the truly great players know not only how adding what hands into ranges will change their equity but also how adding half of a hand will change it (i.e. he just calls pre flop half the time with AQ and reraises it the other half so since he called ill add 50% freq. of AQ)

Imrahil 09-15-2007 06:46 PM

Re: Vidoe HH, and question from msnl player.
 
OMFG that's not that guy from the avatar is it?

MyPTBB100isPOOP 09-16-2007 01:01 PM

Re: Vidoe HH, and question from msnl player.
 
one time.........!!! Bump

DeathDonkey 09-16-2007 01:12 PM

Re: Vidoe HH, and question from msnl player.
 
LOL Gandolf.

-DeathDonkey

Jamougha 09-16-2007 11:58 PM

Re: Vidoe HH, and question from msnl player.
 
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well obviously todds hand here has to be either a big draw or a set

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given that it's todd he can probably have KT. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

fringsrache 09-17-2007 05:43 AM

Re: Vidoe HH, and question from msnl player.
 
phil "gandolf" lol ... this actually needs some photoshopaments!

MyPTBB100isPOOP 09-17-2007 08:14 PM

Re: Vidoe HH, and question from msnl player.
 
gandolf like the wizard get it.... hahahahah get it....


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