100nl - KK versus river overbet
 

2nd orbit, no reads. Standard?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($71.45)
BB ($110.15)
UTG ($24.40)
Hero ($103.60)
Button ($277.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($20.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($20.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $25</font>, Hero folds

I figure I am readless and all I beat is a stone cold bluff

Re: 100nl - KK versus river overbet
 

I hate to sound like an @ss, but that turn needs your love.

Cambraceres

Re: 100nl - KK versus river overbet
 

Bet turn repping AQ. If c/r'd, fold. If called, fold to most river bets. If called and checked to on river, check behind.

Re: 100nl - KK versus river overbet
 

I like this line. How much do you like betting her on the turn?

Re: 100nl - KK versus river overbet
 

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Bet turn repping AQ. If c/r'd, fold. If called, fold to most river bets. If called and checked to on river, check behind.

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I like this.

Re: 100nl - KK versus river overbet
 

I checked the turn because I was WA/WB and I didn't think villain put any money in the pot if he was beat

Also checking behind induces a lot of bluffs on the river, but overbets on the river in my experience scream "I want to win a big pot with my monster hand"

Re: 100nl - KK versus river overbet
 

Checking when WA/WB is not good. You need to find out where your hand is ASAP and if you are c/r'd on the turn you can safely fold. He sees your actions as raise, c-bet, check(showing weakness), and he thinks he can take the pot from you on the river. Perhaps he hit a hand and was going for a c/r on the turn, but I think he could be betting out anything including trip Q's, pair of jacks, 99+, or even air. I think you are ahead of that range and need to call. In the future though I wouldn't give him a chance to shove a lot of money in like that and force you to make the tough decision.

Re: 100nl - KK versus river overbet
 

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I checked the turn because I was WA/WB and I didn't think villain put any money in the pot if he was beat

Also checking behind induces a lot of bluffs on the river, but overbets on the river in my experience scream "I want to win a big pot with my monster hand"

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You checked to induce a bluff, now you must call.

Actual Results
 

I tanked, then realized I had to call since I checked the turn and he flipped over 88 for a flopped set

Re: Actual Results
 

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I tanked, then realized I had to call since I checked the turn and he flipped over 88 for a flopped set

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Your instincts are correct, most overbets are made hands. All the more reason to bet turn.