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entertainme 07-26-2006 01:17 PM

25NL: Commit your stack with QQ preflop with 3 in front?
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP3 ($18.25)
CO ($14.40)
Button ($24.84)
SB ($10.30)
BB ($23.90)
UTG ($144.65)
UTG+1 ($14.74)
MP1 ($21.55)
Heroine ($16.73)

Preflop: Heroine is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.9</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.90, MP1 calls $0.90, <font color="#CC3333">Heroine raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG calls $4.10, UTG+1 calls $13.84 (All-In)

My table image is probably weak/tight. (I had folded to an all in bet after a big bet on the turn when the river paired the board.)

UTG is 73% VPIP with 14.63 PFR
UTG+1 is 34.21 VPIP
MP1 is 43.1 VPIP

I decided to go to war with my QQ. (They have to call $4.10 to win $8.05.) Or should I have just pushed?

With the action after my raise, pot is $25.09. I have to put in $11.64 to call. A clear call?

If either UTG+1 or MP1 had AA or KK I think they would have raised UTG before it got to me. I think UTG would have raised all in after my $5 raise if he held AA or KK, (or at least put me all in.)

All comments appreciated.

ThePortuguee 07-26-2006 01:21 PM

Re: 25NL: Commit your stack with QQ preflop with 3 in front?
 
Looks pretty suspitious to me, and I agree with your analysis. I think you take your lumps with and just get it in with QQ here. Very often I find people doing crap liek this with middle PPs. Sure, sometimes villain will have AA and KK but not often enough, IMO, to find a fold, and calling seems pointless.

Heh. "Heroine."

Brent. 07-26-2006 01:26 PM

Re: 25NL: Commit your stack with QQ preflop with 3 in front?
 
FWIW, the last time I made this same call holding QQ in this exact same spot the guy in UTG+1's spot showed me AA.

PS-Refill to a full stack.

homeslice 07-26-2006 01:34 PM

Re: 25NL: Commit your stack with QQ preflop with 3 in front?
 
With those stats, I'm pushing.

entertainme 07-26-2006 01:42 PM

Re: 25NL: Commit your stack with QQ preflop with 3 in front?
 
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FWIW, the last time I made this same call holding QQ in this exact same spot the guy in UTG+1's spot showed me AA.

PS-Refill to a full stack.

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I'm pretty new to cash NL. (I'm struggling to decide if I can work on studying both SNG and NL cash at the same time or if I should just pick one.)

At what point do you recommend refilling to a full stack?

subzero 07-26-2006 01:43 PM

Re: 25NL: Commit your stack with QQ preflop with 3 in front?
 
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poker mom

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I think the preflop raise is fine (it's just about a pot-sized raise). When the action gets back to you, I push. You have the 3rd best hand. I agree with your analysis. It doesn't seem like either villain has you beat. At this level, I wouldn't be surprised to see AJs.

homeslice 07-26-2006 01:45 PM

Re: 25NL: Commit your stack with QQ preflop with 3 in front?
 
I refill whenever I drop below 100BB. I want to maximize my gains when the possibilty of doubling up comes up.

ThePortuguee 07-26-2006 01:45 PM

Re: 25NL: Commit your stack with QQ preflop with 3 in front?
 
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At what point do you recommend refilling to a full stack?

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Always. One of the best parts of being online is that this is so easy. Every time you have less than 24.5, reload to 25.

subzero 07-26-2006 01:48 PM

Re: 25NL: Commit your stack with QQ preflop with 3 in front?
 
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At what point do you recommend refilling to a full stack?

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I reload when my stack is below 80%. I generally think that players who let their full stacks dip below half are not very good.

4_2_it 07-26-2006 01:48 PM

Re: 25NL: Commit your stack with QQ preflop with 3 in front?
 
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(I'm struggling to decide if I can work on studying both SNG and NL cash at the same time or if I should just pick one.)

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I'd pick one to start with and then branch out.

As for the hand, hold your nose and call.


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