200 6m: monster flop draw gone bad
 

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">BB ($248.75)</font>
UTG ($156.52)
<font color="#C00000">MP ($0)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($213.75)</font>
SB ($293.73)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($17) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $13</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, BB calls $27.

Turn: ($97) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $65</font>, hero ???

villain is very nitty....16/8 or so......

whats a better line on the flop?

Re: 200 6m: monster flop draw gone bad
 

If the villain is super nitty, I tend to assume he has something when he leads out into the preflop raiser. As played I think you have to fold on the turn, as even if your draw gets there it will be pretty transparent and the board will be scary - I don't think a turn push gives you much FE with this action.

I suppose a flop call is okay, but I think your line gets you a free card on the turn or all in on the flop often enough so I wouldn't second guess yourself too much.

Re: 200 6m: monster flop draw gone bad
 

why a fold on the turn? im getting priced if he has aq/a6....even if he has a set or at and i hit on the river hes gonna payoff a small value bet....only kj has me in real trouble.....its a very small edge on the turn....i guess i should have just shoved it on the turn.....cause obv i have no fe on that turn....

Re: 200 6m: monster flop draw gone bad
 

Even if you exclude hands like AA, KJo and KJs from his range you are behind on the turn, so why push if he doesn't fold?

Board: Ac Qc Td 6s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 28.9474 % 28.95% 00.00% { KcTc }
Hand 2: 71.0526 % 71.05% 00.00% { QQ, TT, AQs, ATs, AQo, ATo }

Re: 200 6m: monster flop draw gone bad
 

is it spew if i always call this turn?

Re: 200 6m: monster flop draw gone bad
 

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Even if you exclude hands like AA, KJo and KJs from his range you are behind on the turn, so why push if he doesn't fold?

Board: Ac Qc Td 6s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 28.9474 % 28.95% 00.00% { KcTc }
Hand 2: 71.0526 % 71.05% 00.00% { QQ, TT, AQs, ATs, AQo, ATo }

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i wasnt talking about pushing...i know by his turn bet hes not folding....is a call outta the question

Re: 200 6m: monster flop draw gone bad
 

oops, shove != push ? (I'm Dutch)

Re: 200 6m: monster flop draw gone bad
 

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oops, shove != push ? (I'm Dutch)

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Shove = push

Re: 200 6m: monster flop draw gone bad
 

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is it spew if i always call this turn?

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depends on villain andif you think you have any implied odds

EDIT: your image also plays a pretty big role on occasion

Re: 200 6m: monster flop draw gone bad
 

shove=push all in