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nath 05-29-2006 05:05 PM

WTF do i do about minbet-minreraisers (Stars $55r)
 
relatively new to table, but I just hit a streak where I won four pots in a row (culminating in a knockout of someone with a flopped full with 92 in the BB vs. a turned flush).

Uhh, is he really dumb enough to take this line with a queen? What do I do here, how often do I have to be good, if I call, how big a river bet can I call, etc.

PokerStars Game #5090970295: Tournament #25455352, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2006/05/29 - 17:01:20 (ET)
Table '25455352 18' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: J-C AA (10687 in chips)
Seat 2: J9SUITED (16925 in chips)
Seat 3: Cap'nJackpot (20245 in chips)
Seat 4: The X Force (30430 in chips)
Seat 5: yossie (6975 in chips)
Seat 6: BustMe (4778 in chips)
Seat 7: Sooners (2725 in chips)
Seat 9: FlyingSumo (9890 in chips)
J-C AA: posts the ante 25
J9SUITED: posts the ante 25
Cap'nJackpot: posts the ante 25
The X Force: posts the ante 25
yossie: posts the ante 25
BustMe: posts the ante 25
Sooners: posts the ante 25
FlyingSumo: posts the ante 25
The X Force: posts small blind 100
yossie: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cap'nJackpot [Ah 9s]
BustMe: folds
yossie said, "ty krm"
Sooners: folds
FlyingSumo: folds
J-C AA: folds
J9SUITED: raises 400 to 600
Cap'nJackpot: calls 600
The X Force: folds
yossie: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 9h Qs]
J9SUITED: bets 200
Cap'nJackpot: calls 200
*** TURN *** [Qc 9h Qs] [7s]
J9SUITED: bets 200
Cap'nJackpot: raises 1050 to 1250
J9SUITED: raises 1050 to 2300
Cap'nJackpot: thinks "LOL WTF"

0evg0 05-29-2006 05:18 PM

Re: WTF do i do about minbet-minreraisers (Stars $55r)
 
J9SUITED is Cloutier's acct, but I've played against some real donks using that account. I really think you have at best 5 outs.

Ansky 05-29-2006 05:20 PM

Re: WTF do i do about minbet-minreraisers (Stars $55r)
 
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J9SUITED is Cloutier's acct, but I've played against some real donks using that account. I really think you have at best 5 outs.
I thought J9 of Clubs or something was his account?

Anyway, fold.

And fold preflop.

And prob just call the turn.

nath 05-29-2006 05:27 PM

Re: WTF do i do about minbet-minreraisers (Stars $55r)
 
Quote:

Quote:

J9SUITED is Cloutier's acct, but I've played against some real donks using that account. I really think you have at best 5 outs.
I thought J9 of Clubs or something was his account?
Yeah, it's J9 of Clubs, not J9SUITED.

Quote:

And fold preflop.
Look, Nitty McNit might be afraid to play A9 on the button vs. a cutoff raise, but not me. I have position and what rates to likely be the best hand right now (I did consider reraising PF).

0evg0 05-29-2006 05:28 PM

Re: WTF do i do about minbet-minreraisers (Stars $55r)
 
Oh yeah, my bad.

But I know J9SUITED from somewhere. Let me rack my brain or look for notes.

0evg0 05-29-2006 05:30 PM

Re: WTF do i do about minbet-minreraisers (Stars $55r)
 
Yeah, he's actually shown to be decent in my opinion. I don't know WTF this is. Maybe some 3rd level thinking?

I'm calling down here I think. Just because this is weird as hell, and also because I like calling.

nath 05-29-2006 05:32 PM

Re: WTF do i do about minbet-minreraisers (Stars $55r)
 
Quote:

I really think you have at best 5 outs.
I don't see a hand having 5 outs.

Let's get a range here. Would a queen make these minbets on the flop and turn? Would a player bad enough to not build the pot with trips here be bad enough to make this play without a queen?

I mean, either he has it or he doesn't, right? And if he doesn't, how often is that the case, and what does he have?

NoahSD 05-29-2006 05:35 PM

Re: WTF do i do about minbet-minreraisers (Stars $55r)
 
I agree with Ansky.

0evg0 05-29-2006 05:43 PM

Re: WTF do i do about minbet-minreraisers (Stars $55r)
 
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I really think you have at best 5 outs.

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I don't see a hand having 5 outs.

Let's get a range here. Would a queen make these minbets on the flop and turn? Would a player bad enough to not build the pot with trips here be bad enough to make this play without a queen?

I mean, either he has it or he doesn't, right? And if he doesn't, how often is that the case, and what does he have?

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I'm thinking TT/JJ/KK/AA is more likely than QX for some reason.

Obviously you don't have 5 outs vs AA, but otherwise.

Foucault 05-29-2006 05:54 PM

Re: WTF do i do about minbet-minreraisers (Stars $55r)
 
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I'm calling down here I think.

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I assume you mean calling down as opposed to raising the turn? I think that was they key mistake here. As played, I fold.


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