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so i was listening to dr dean o'dell on AM radio while i was driving around this sunday. anybody else listen to him? he's pretty interesting. an older doctor w/ a great view on life. anyway, someone called in and asked him what he thought about salvia, a legal hallucinogenic drug.

i had never heard about salvia. odell presented some information about it and said it is a leaf that the mayans used during religious ceremonies. he complained that some politicians are trying to get the use of it criminalized only for the knee jerk reaction that it is a hallucinogenic. he was more concerned about the smoking method to injest it and said that some native americans chew the leaves which he seemed to be happier w/ since that avoided smoking.

so question is, anyone here tried this stuff? what was the experience like?

ive looked online and there are lots of places to order it (as an incense). i called one head shop in town but they dont sell it.

bwana


Moderate doses appear trance-like. Time distortion and open-eye visuals become increasingly apparent. Fractal patterns and geometric shapes may be noticeable with eyes open, and can be very confusing. Many people experience sensations of falling, similar to what is occasionally felt at the onset of sleep. The user may experience fully formed visions of other places, people, and events, especially with eyes closed.

At high doses, the effects become more powerful and may additionally include out-of-body experiences, perceptions of gravitational distortion, vertigo, sensations of wind or physical pressure, hearing voices, flanging of sound, significant open and closed-eye visuals, experiencing alternate realities, contact with beings or entities, dissolution of one's ego, and dissociation.

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Yeah, I've done it. It's [censored] crazy. Highly hallucinogenic.

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no ..but I want to now...thanks [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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One of my roommates in college bought some from a smoke shop one time. I don't know what the quality of it was or anything, but I do remember that it didn't really do a whole lot to any of us.

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Friend tried it, not a big druggie, he's only ever done weed, he said it was nothing, gave him almost no trip at all and the tiny high lasted about 8 minutes. This was using a bong btw.

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I saw a bunch of potted salvia plants at the (NYC) Union Square greenmarket yesterday being sold right next to the leek, oregano and thyme. I was highly amused.

Word has it it's much more intense than LSD (with the right dose, otherwise it does nothing), but the duration is shorter. I'd stay clear.

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experiencing alternate realities, contact with beings or entities, dissolution of one's ego, and dissociation

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Something tells me the meditation has been a waste of time.

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A bunch of my friends recently got into it. Basically they'd get 5X-20X extract, pack a bowl, take a hit and hold it in for a few seconds until you feel it. After that theyd just smile and be in their own little world. Wouldn't really say anything, and if they did it was just nonsense. The intense high last for a few minutes and they'd see [censored]. One friend didnt feel much though cause she didnt smoke it right. Gotta make sure you hold it.

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Some friends of mine in LA live in a big artist's loft building where apparently it's pretty common at the parties. The way he described the experience sounded a lot like a K-hole. Which is by 1000 times the most trippy thing I've ever experienced. Truly an out of body experience. The only connection I had left was this vague feeling that I was tethered to some kind of body and I probably wanted to not let it crap it's pants. My theory is that not crapping ones pants must be one of the deepest primordial instincts we have, and the last thing to go before the involuntary stuff like heart and lungs start to lose it.

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I have smoked some back in the day with some other people. We smoked for about 2 straight hours and 1-2 people out of 6 said they felt something but I felt no effects at all.

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You're supposed to light salvia with a torch, not a lighter. And you'll want something like 10x extract for maximum effect.

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I've done almost hallucinogen on earth and salvia 40x is the strongest thing I've ever done; way stronger than 5-MeO-DMT. I wrote a trip report on another forum. I'll post it if anyone wants to read it.

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Jesus man, 40x?

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Tried a k-hole yet? And I mean the real hole, not the fluffy feeling you get if you do a little. I'm curious to hear how it stacks up from someone who's done both.

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Some friends of mine in LA live in a big artist's loft building where apparently it's pretty common at the parties. The way he described the experience sounded a lot like a K-hole. Which is by 1000 times the most trippy thing I've ever experienced. Truly an out of body experience. The only connection I had left was this vague feeling that I was tethered to some kind of body and I probably wanted to not let it crap it's pants. My theory is that not crapping ones pants must be one of the deepest primordial instincts we have, and the last thing to go before the involuntary stuff like heart and lungs start to lose it.

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Weird, I remember that I kept thinking "Don't crap pants" when I did ketamine.

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I've done almost hallucinogen on earth and salvia 40x is the strongest thing I've ever done; way stronger than 5-MeO-DMT. I wrote a trip report on another forum. I'll post it if anyone wants to read it.

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Tried a k-hole yet? And I mean the real hole, not the fluffy feeling you get if you do a little. I'm curious to hear how it stacks up from someone who's done both.

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I haven't tried ketamine or PCP, but I've read that ketamine can get you to ++++ on the Shulgin Scale, so I'm sure the effects are very similar.

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My theory is that not crapping ones pants must be one of the deepest primordial instincts we have...

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LOL!

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I've done almost hallucinogen on earth and salvia 40x is the strongest thing I've ever done; way stronger than 5-MeO-DMT. I wrote a trip report on another forum. I'll post it if anyone wants to read it.

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Please.

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My theory is that not crapping ones pants must be one of the deepest primordial instincts we have...

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LOL!

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i like that quote too. pretty funny.

bwana

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use 5x or 10x extract, a butane lighter, and a glass bong

the butane is necessary because salvia needs to burn at like 240 F to work

you need to do it in a dimly lit room in silence, after you've done it a few times adding music is ok

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just make sure to not strip naked and run to the nearest playground, your friends will never let you forget it.

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You called Planet K didn't you? They don't have it. The Gas Pipe sell it.

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no, it was oat willie's i tried. girl said she had gotten a lot of calls on it recently. thanks for the tip.

bwana

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done it too. in fact, i have a giant bag of it that my friend gave me still sitting under my desk. i have a few good stories to add to this. i have never done another hallucinogen before, so i dont have much basis for comparison, but doing salvia was the only time that i have ever seen things that werent reality taking place. i smoked 4 bongloads in a row as you have to do to get the right effect, i was sitting cross legged, across from my friend in a dark room. i could immediately tell when the salvia kicked in and put the bong down and just concentrated. i looked at my friend and they began to look like an oil painting, very dark and shadowey, and they slowly began to rotate clockwise. what i saw was now a sideways painting of my friend sitting there, but he wasnt in a room anymore, he was in a throne. 10 seconds later, im back to normal.

my friend smoked immediately after and his story intrigues me more. the way he wrote it (we wrote them down right after so we could remember and talk about what happened in detail) is that he began to feel the high, and said the earth rotated under him, then said he saw a big plaza filled with block people. one of the block people was addressing all of the others in a manner that lead him to believe he was a dictator. the people were cheering, but the dictator wasnt speaking any real dialect that my friend could understand. then he snapped out of it and drew a picture of the block people. i wish i still had that picture.

rj

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use 5x or 10x extract, a butane lighter, and a glass bong

the butane is necessary because salvia needs to burn at like 240 F to work

you need to do it in a dimly lit room in silence, after you've done it a few times adding music is ok

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all of this advice is great. we mixed 10x extract with actual plane and smoked that.

also. dont do it alone. you really want to not leave the room. if the person your doing it is feeling effects and asks to leave the room, dont let them, it could freak them out too much.

rj

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Anyone know if this stuff sets off any alarms on a drug test?

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Pretty unlikely I would guess, unless it shares some compound with a more commonly tested drug.

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from a trip report I posted a few weeks ago:

I was told to use a blow torch or some BS but didn't because I don't have that. I Just used a piece and lighter. After one small hit of 7x, about 1/8th a gram, nothing happened. Something washed over me but other than feeling like that - kind of like being high - nothing else happened. So I ended up smoking 1/2 a gram. A buddy of mine took the other half of the gram that we had split for 33$ and we were with a couple of close sober friends who wanted to see what would happen and were there in case we flipped.

The first words out of my mouth were what I immediately noticed after inhaling huge: "my nipples are erect," and it was true. All of the sudden I was aware of the feeling of my shirt on my nipples. Then I moved my arm and started moving around a little bit and felt something like forcefields, kind of similar to magnetism or a strong wind of some kind; an invisible force. Soon a few of these forces were pushing on me from different directions and I started talking to my friends, who had turned on The Arctic Monkeys in my room and were dancing. I said something about "channels" which were like the forcefields I was feeling and then I said that I might need Ciara to hold my hand. This happened in a couple minutes after I smoked the salvia.

I then went inside and someone told me that, according to the allmighty internet, I should lie down and close my eyes.When I was walking around stuff was twisting and sliding. I passed my room on the way to the living room where there is a nice recliner. I started looking at the pattern in my oriental rug and it began to slide away, kind of like a conveyor belt. I examined the pattern in more detail and it kept magnifying in my mind - I would look at one detail, then the details of the detail, and so on, and get lost.

I think this is what freaks other people out, that all of the sudden they're losing contact with what they know is real; and they're starting to think that maybe it isn't real, maybe there's this other world that they haven't tapped into. I felt the same way, that I was discovering a whole new world, but it wasn't disquieting at all. I actually felt pretty relieved about it.

I layed down alone and wished that I had someone to hold, which would seem to put my whole comfort level in to doubt, but doesn't. It was just a feeling that it would be really nice to be holding a girl. I didn't want to [censored] her or kiss her or anything, just hold her. Some of my friends who were over would have been good candidates but there's something else going on with someone who wasn't over so I kept the thought to myself and closed my eyes.

I looked at my eyelids and found some patters which I got lost in in a similar fashion to when I looked at the oriental rug. I don't know why, but it was nice. It was very interesting.

All in all the whole trip lasted about 30 minutes and was intensified when I was alone and had my thoughts, or visions (I wasn't thinking verbally), to myself. When I was up and about and talking to people, the effects of the salvia were lessened.

new comments: do not do this in a party setting. Do it alone or with a close friend, and just lie down and relax. Moving around and conversing and otherwise being aware of your surroundings won't let it take full effect. Next time I do it it'll be alone and tranquil, possibly with some music

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Cool trip report.

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yes, good "trip" report. after reading your report, i will definitely be seeking this out.

and just to be clear, you paid $33 for a full gram of 7x?

bwana

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yes, good "trip" report. after reading your report, i will definitely be seeking this out.

and just to be clear, you paid $33 for a full gram of 7x?

bwana

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Seems a tad high compared to these prices:

http://www.salvia-extract.com/

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Wow these trip reports sound cool. Now I wanna try. Is it best for a first timer to use 10x or 20x?

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is it safe to buy Salvia online, do you guys recomend to pucrhase it at http://www.salvia-extract.com/ ?

Are the prices ok, what excatly should i purchase. Leafes?

Please explain so i can buy it tomorow

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just buy the starter package

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is it safe to buy Salvia online, do you guys recomend to pucrhase it at http://www.salvia-extract.com/ ?

Are the prices ok, what excatly should i purchase. Leafes?

Please explain so i can buy it tomorow

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I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING

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WHat do you guys mean by "torch" what can I use if I dotn have butane lighter. ALso can I smoke it out of plastic waterpipe?

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yes, good "trip" report. after reading your report, i will definitely be seeking this out.

and just to be clear, you paid $33 for a full gram of 7x?

bwana

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Seems a tad high compared to these prices:

http://www.salvia-extract.com/

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yeah, we paid 33$/gram for 7x at a local smoke shop. I am getting it for 20$/gram at 10x at some shamanic website that offers a bunch of natural, legal psychedelics that i am interested in trying - if anyone has experience with Morning Glory or Amanita Muscaria (red mushroom with white spots from alice and wonderland) plz PM me or post here

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I smoked 2 bong fulls of 10x and it it barely had any effect. I'll try it again with a butane lighter.

Does anyone know if you can use it with THE VOLCANO?

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has anyone tried to dissolve and drink it, rather than torch it? not everyone has a bong.

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Be careful, don't take more than you're ready for. I smoked it in increments and without a butane lighter, so if you have some kind of torch, I've heard one hit will do you in. I have been told way more bad stories about people freaking out and having terrible experiences than I have about people having good experiences with salvia - just FYI