To all the new 6-max players
 

Hi all,

It seems a lot of players from the SS started playing 6-max lately. Sfer, Saborion, Trix, Joker122 and Alobar are a few examples. It seems we all have the same kind of questions and problems when we try to adjust to this game.

Like the regulars know, I made a few posts a couple of weeks ago with a bazillion questions and hands. Some were easy to answer, some were not. Because I went throught the same process about 2 months ago, I thought it would be a good idea to make a post about these kind of questions.

Here are some links from posts I made, maybe they show the same kind of problems you have at the moment: this and this one.

I also had a bazilion questions about blind stealing and playing in the blinds. I knew that in full ring games this was/is one of my biggest leaks. I was/am terrible in defending, stealing goes a lot better now. Anyway here's a post I made at the time.

I knew that I needed to lower my raising standards, but how low? I knew pairs and high cards go up in value, but how much? Here's a post I made about starting hands.

Maybe these two threads from David Ross will also help you with your starting hands: this and this one.

Don't forget the swing are huge. I dropped a 150BB in the first 2 weeks or so. Sometimes you lose 100BB in just 2 hours and a day later you win it all back in just 3 hours. It's part of the game and you better get used to it although it sucks.

I hope this helps... If you know any good threads feel free to add them.

Just read a lot, play a lot and post a lot and you will all do fine.

Good luck,

Guido

thanks n/m
 

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Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

Nice post. All very true as well. At times the 6 max is horrible you can get killed big time. But played correctly for sustained periods it can be very profitable. I am in the middle of a 150bb downswing and its frustrating but you know the chasers will pay you back with interest in time.

Good luck to anyone starting in 6 max games. Take it easy.

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

Some what of a side but I think that moving to 6Max does such wonders for your game advancement In the last 2 weeks of roughly 10k hands at SH i've had the most fun playing since I started not to mention my poker skills have come leaps and bounds.

I don't know how I could go back now to the slow grind of full ring.

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

This is exactly how I feel, and pretty much everyone who's ever played Party 6 max feels the same way.

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

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I don't know how I could go back now to the slow grind of full ring.

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if u are playing 4 tables of short-handed games now, u can play 8 tables of full rings [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

but if u are already playing 8 tables of short like me, u are kind of out of luck, unless u can do 16 tables effectively, which i imagine to be little difficult [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Kenny

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I don't know how I could go back now to the slow grind of full ring.

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I have heard of people having great success table hopping short games at the full ring games since most of the players there have no good idea on how to adjust to shorthanded situations. (Of course, I think most here would agree that most of the people playing at the six max tables are in the same boat [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

At any rate, I would never do that since I make an entry in my book and spreadsheet for every table I sit down at and I would hate making 10 times the entries I make now.

Anyone ever try this tact?

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excellent post, thanks!

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Thanks Guido. Good post.

This is VERY helpful... thanks! n/t
 

n/t

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nice. i'm sure this has been brought up before but what do people think about sharing PP screen names to stay out of each others way in 6max?

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

Nope, we are still learning, I like to have a good player at my table because against him I have to think and that is necessary to get better. But if u dont want to play with me, my name is kiddo [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

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I don't know how I could go back now to the slow grind of full ring.

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if u are playing 4 tables of short-handed games now, u can play 8 tables of full rings [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

but if u are already playing 8 tables of short like me, u are kind of out of luck, unless u can do 16 tables effectively, which i imagine to be little difficult [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Kenny

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I find it easier to play 6 games of 10/20 sh than 6 games of 15/30 full, since the full games feature so many damn more opponents. That and I play fewer of my hands, so it feels like my opponents remain unknowns for much longer.

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

Thanks Guido.

Add Bob T. to your list of SS players who are moving over.

Good luck,
play well,

Bob T.

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

I've added this thread to my favorites and will pass it along to others when they first appear on this board. Does anyone have any other links that would be good for noobs like me? I'm thinking of creating a thread to be bumped and brought to the attention of new posters who ask the typical questions. It seems we all have the same basic questions when we first show up, and answering the same question over and over is a little boring for the longer term posters. Any help would be appreciated. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

edit: Oh look, it's my 100th post. Yee Ha! Do I get a cookie? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

and me, although i'm micro limit, not SS =(

My favorite Links.
 

Hmm... Here is a thread that already exists and has the perfect title.

OK, here's some of my favorites-

Great Q&A thread on hand selection in SH games


Links to some real gems on this board, courtesy of Illunious and Dieter01

Nicely done table of Hand rankings by percent of pots won vs random hands, played to the showdown, against 1,2,3,...,9 opponents


Ed Miller's Column on CGTV.com

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

Hi Nemesis. Looks like we're doin' the same thing, dude. Thanks for all your help, BTW. Shorthanded is just more fun for me. I have no discipline whatsoever when it comes to money, though, and I keep making little cashouts for things not related to poker. Probably a good thing in a way, 'cause I'd have the bankroll, but not yet the skills, to play up. I'm takin' my time here [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

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Hi all,

It seems a lot of players from the SS started playing 6-max lately. Sfer, Saborion, Trix, Joker122 and Alobar are a few examples. It seems we all have the same kind of questions and problems when we try to adjust to this game.

Like the regulars know, I made a few posts a couple of weeks ago with a bazillion questions and hands. Some were easy to answer, some were not. Because I went throught the same process about 2 months ago, I thought it would be a good idea to make a post about these kind of questions.

Here are some links from posts I made, maybe they show the same kind of problems you have at the moment: this and this one.

I also had a bazilion questions about blind stealing and playing in the blinds. I knew that in full ring games this was/is one of my biggest leaks. I was/am terrible in defending, stealing goes a lot better now. Anyway here's a post I made at the time.

I knew that I needed to lower my raising standards, but how low? I knew pairs and high cards go up in value, but how much? Here's a post I made about starting hands.

Maybe these two threads from David Ross will also help you with your starting hands: this and this one.

Don't forget the swing are huge. I dropped a 150BB in the first 2 weeks or so. Sometimes you lose 100BB in just 2 hours and a day later you win it all back in just 3 hours. It's part of the game and you better get used to it although it sucks.

I hope this helps... If you know any good threads feel free to add them.

Just read a lot, play a lot and post a lot and you will all do fine.

Good luck,

Guido

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I've added this thread to my favorites and will pass it along to others when they first appear on this board. Does anyone have any other links that would be good for noobs like me? I'm thinking of creating a thread to be bumped and brought to the attention of new posters who ask the typical questions. It seems we all have the same basic questions when we first show up, and answering the same question over and over is a little boring for the longer term posters. Any help would be appreciated. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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I've been meaning to do this for a long while too since I have a friend who I'll be extensively tutoring in 1/2 6-max once he gets back from Venezuela in a week. However, as it turns out I'm also exceptionally good at laziness. I can think of many hands that have been posted in the past which are good examples of the right amount of aggresion, and plenty of others that had good discussions about ideas and default plays. Hopefully soon...

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edit: Oh look, it's my 100th post. Yee Ha! Do I get a cookie? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Your cookie is in the mail [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

Hi imitation,

I don't know how I could go back now to the slow grind of full ring.

I have had the same thought also but I think when I get to 15/30 that would be a big challenge to beat so that should be exciting for me. I don't know if I can ever enjoy playing at 2/4 [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img].

Thanks,

Guido

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

Hi Highlife,

I'm sure this has been brought up before but what do people think about sharing PP screen names to stay out of each others way in 6max?

I don't mind 1 or 2 other good players at my table. I'm still learning. When you pay attention, you will know who the good players are in no time. I wouldn't want to know there names to avoid them but to play with them.

Thanks,

Guido

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

I'm thinking of creating a thread to be bumped and brought to the attention of new posters who ask the typical questions. It seems we all have the same basic questions when we first show up, and answering the same question over and over is a little boring for the longer term posters. Any help would be appreciated.

That what the purpose of this thread.

Thanks,

Guido

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

Thanks for all the kind words.

Guido

Re: My contribution to this thread
 

It's a great idea to compile all the most valuable posts into a sort of HU/Shorthanded primer or FAQ. I wish I could get one for how to play NL. Anyway, I'd like to contribute what I can.

Few months back I asked a question about when it is appropriate to induce bluffs. King Yao replied with a wonderful breakdown of when and where it is appropriate to use this play. I still refer to his post when I think about checking the turn through or checking the river when first to act.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...mp;o=&vc=1

Thanks much!
 

Fantastic group of posts there, Guido. Just getting back into shorthanded myself, and was feeling all depressed bcs of the slide I just went through -- I'm not going to embarrass myself by telling y'all how few BBs it was, though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Yep, 100BB to 150BB slides are not uncommon -- god that's annoying! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Can we make this thread sticky?
 

It's a really helpful thread but hard to find via the search function ...

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

awful good of you. thanks a bunch
gamblore

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

Are there any posts about good pokertracker 6max NL player ranking criteria?

Defending SB
 

To all posters:

I don't want to start a new post to ask this question since I'm sure it's been asked a billion times, but what range of hands will you usually defend with in the SB (both 5/10 and 10/20)? Assume typical Party table, typical loose-aggro but bad Party button, and typical loose-aggro but bad Party BB. What range of hands will you 3-bet? What range of hands will you just call?

Replies or links to other posts are greatly appreciated thanks.

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

Bump. A lot of new people wandering into the HUSH forum lately.

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

great thread, goes to favourites

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great thread! i just started wandering into HUSH because i want to learn HU/SH play, so this works out great [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

actually, the real reason i want to learn is because i play in home games and home tournaments. im fine until it gets to ~4 handed and lower. my question is, even though the games mentioned are NL, they usually don't play like it. i'm wondering if the links/info given in these links is still applicable?

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

I would also recommend reading the 1-table tournament forums. They have lots of stuff on short-handed NL tourney situations.

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

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[ QUOTE ]
I don't know how I could go back now to the slow grind of full ring.

[/ QUOTE ]

I have heard of people having great success table hopping short games at the full ring games since most of the players there have no good idea on how to adjust to shorthanded situations. (Of course, I think most here would agree that most of the people playing at the six max tables are in the same boat [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

At any rate, I would never do that since I make an entry in my book and spreadsheet for every table I sit down at and I would hate making 10 times the entries I make now.

Anyone ever try this tact?

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I do, extremely good!

Re: To all the new 6-max players
 

good post.

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damn good post. i'm quite new to the game and also just started playing lots of 6 max cuz i live in austria and it's hard to get enough action otherwise. i'm still getting slammed, but not quite as bad as i was a few weeks ago (yeah- i know variance lasts longer than that, but the point is i'm already playing 6 max much differently than i was) , but i've read this whole thread and every other one i can on 6 max and i'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. thanks for the info and the hope!