Hee Seop Choi to the Red Sox, for NOTHING.
 

Hee Seop Choi has been claimed off waivers from the Dodgers by the Boston Red Sox, reports ESPN.com.

You can find it on RotoWire, too.

Yeah okay, Ned Colletti. The Dodgers are such a piece of [censored] organization. How the [censored] did the Red Sox waiver claim process, when there are about 8 teams that could use a disciplined and powerful hitter like Choi, say, I dunno, like the Cleveland Indians?

[censored] ridiculous.

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Choi hasn't been the same since he had that concussion while playing for the small bears

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If the Indians wanted him they would have put a claim in. Not sure why you think they wouldn't put in a claim yet they would trade something for him.

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Nothing for something is a bad deal.

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Have you SEEN who they run out there at first base?

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Have you SEEN who they run out there at first base?

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If you are talking about the Indians then they would have had waiver priority over the Red Sox. If they wanted him they could have had him. What you are saying doesn't make sense.

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Have you SEEN who they run out there at first base?

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If you are talking about the Indians then they would have had waiver priority over the Red Sox. If they wanted him they could have had him. What you are saying doesn't make sense.

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What I am saying is this:

Have you SEEN who the Indians run out there at first base?

How that doesn't make any sense is beyond me, but alright.

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You are saying the Dodgers suck because they didn't try and him to the Indians, yet the Indians could have gotten him for free and didn't. Why would they pay for something they could have gotten for free?

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Choi hasn't been the same since he had that concussion while playing for the small bears

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Choi had a good WBC.

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You are saying the Dodgers suck because they didn't try and him to the Indians..

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What are you, an idiot? Are you [censored] drunk?

I am saying the Dodgers are retarded for releasing him no-strings attached. Period.

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...yet the Indians could have gotten him for free and didn't.

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And the Indians not making a claim makes no sense to me.

Jesus Christ, you really are dumb.

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Dodgers win in this transaction.

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He is a mediocore at best 1B. There are numerous guys that would offer similar numbers that play for the league minimum. Why anyone would think he is worth of a trade is beyond me.

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There are numerous guys that would offer similar numbers that play for the league minimum.

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Name three.

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Pick any three 1b starting in AAA.

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Pick any three 1b starting in AAA.

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Haha, no. Name three starting first basemen that have the same projected-for-MLB power values, walk rate, and defensive efficiency as Choi.

I'm waiting.

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Who's to say that Colletti didn't try to get a bag of balls for Choi and couldn't get any takers. He was one of Depodesta's moneyball/spreadsheet leftovers who wasn't going to see much action this year behind Nomar.

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Dodgers win in this transaction.

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Little doesn't want somebody with a .253 BA and .336 OBP. So, from his perspective Dodger's win. But, this is the same Little that was never on board with Theo and gang (not pulling pedro was the straw that broke the camel's back). To not get anything for him is pretty ridiculous. He is 27 and batted in a pitcher's park. BOS basically gets him for nothing and can always move him to AAA. Lowell is hurt and Youkilis, Snow, and Choi can rotate if necessary.

The Dodgers are in bad shape if (when) Nomar gets hurt at 1B. Then they have Saenz to back him up? If Choi sucks, gets hurt, etc..., in BOS, then it was very inexpensive. Plus, his HR should go up in Fenway.

craig

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Who's to say that Colletti didn't try to get a bag of balls for Choi and couldn't get any takers. He was one of Depodesta's moneyball/spreadsheet leftovers who wasn't going to see much action this year behind Nomar.

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Until Nomar gets hurt. He can't play 162 games out there. Choi has more upside than Saenz and is cheaper. How hard will the NL west be to win this year? 4 games above .500? LAD should have tried for something at least.

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Who's to say that Colletti didn't try to get a bag of balls for Choi and couldn't get any takers.

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Impossible. Theo Epstein himself said he wanted Choi.

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choi projects to have a better season then nomar.

i dont know what is more odd. that the dodgers released him, or that otehr teams passed on him before the sox grabbed him.

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Until Nomar gets hurt. He can't play 162 games out there. Choi has more upside than Saenz and is cheaper. How hard will the NL west be to win this year? 4 games above .500? LAD should have tried for something at least.

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Yeah, maybe they should have tried for something, even a draft pick, but the Dodger farm is loaded. Choi just isn't part of their future. He has more upside, but Saenz is there because he's a veteran, so he'll be plan B if Nomar gets hurt, James Loney from Vegas will be plan C, and a trade will be plan D.

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choi projects to have a better season then nomar.

i dont know what is more odd. that the dodgers released him, or that otehr teams passed on him before the sox grabbed him.

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I'm not about to throw around PETCOA numbers or that kind of [censored]. I speak as someone who watches every Dodger game and the guy was a nightmare.

Huge errors in the field, priceless double play balls, or a key strikeout when contact was all that was needed.

Furthermore, why was Choi on waivers? Doesn't this mean the Dodgers determined they didn't have room for him on their roster?

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just to pile on..................

chois #1 PECOTA comp?

2003 david ortiz with a score of 50

this red sox team reminds me of the 2003 roster anyways. stacked bench with a lot of tough decisions to be made early on.

the gap between the NYY and boston keeps closing.

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Choi is nothing but a backup first basemen He's a good backup, but a backup none the less.

The Cleveland Indians already have a first baseman better than Choi in Ben Broussard. They have a quality backup in Eduardo Perez. They have a decent prospect in Ryan Garko. There is no reason for the Indians to pay $750k AND be forced to waive somebody when they have capable players at every role that Choi could fill.

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Dodgers win in this transaction.

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choi projects to have a better season then nomar.

i dont know what is more odd. that the dodgers released him, or that otehr teams passed on him before the sox grabbed him.

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I'm not about to throw around PETCOA numbers or that kind of [censored]. I speak as someone who watches every Dodger game and the guy was a nightmare.

Huge errors in the field, priceless double play balls, or a key strikeout when contact was all that was needed.

Furthermore, why was Choi on waivers? Doesn't this mean the Dodgers determined they didn't have room for him on their roster?

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i am the pure opposite, i pay almost no attention to what i see, as i happen to put my own spin on the scene way too much.

i have read that choi has one option left, which makes this move even more-so retarded. of course, if thats not the case then yea, they decided he didnt fit on the 25.

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If he still had an option then I really don't get it.

Maybe he had a fallout with somebody?
Which is difficult since he speaks little english.
Maybe his translator set him up [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]?

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Choi's nothing special.

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If he still had an option then I really don't get it.

Maybe he had a fallout with somebody?
Which is difficult since he speaks little english.
Maybe his translator set him up [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]?

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I know you are joking, but was Paul fired before or after the Nomar signing?

craig

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27 years old. Lifetime avg of .240 and 40 HRs.

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Choi is nothing but a backup first basemen He's a good backup, but a backup none the less.

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in your opinion. personally, i think he should start for the red sox and youk at 3B. if a guy can start at 1B for a 90 win+ team, then hes not a 'solid backup'.

his top 3 comps for this year are:

ortiz 2003
kusick 1976
durazo 2001
hafner 2004

those are not 'backup' seasons. of course he may not have a season like any of those guys, but his career to this point shows huge similarities to guys ready to "breakout".

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27 years old. Lifetime avg of .240 and 40 HRs.

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OBP has to be factored in. Which I am sure Theo thought about. And the price was right (well below right).

craig

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If he still had an option then I really don't get it.

Maybe he had a fallout with somebody?
Which is difficult since he speaks little english.
Maybe his translator set him up [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]?

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I know you are joking, but was Paul fired before or after the Nomar signing?

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before.

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27 years old. Lifetime avg of .240 and 40 HRs.

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OBP has to be factored in. Which I am sure Theo thought about. And the price was right (well below right).

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Choi is nothing but a backup first basemen He's a good backup, but a backup none the less.

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in your opinion. personally, i think he should start for the red sox and youk at 3B. if a guy can start at 1B for a 90 win+ team, then hes not a 'solid backup'.

his top 3 comps for this year are:

ortiz 2003
kusick 1976
durazo 2001
hafner 2004

those are not 'backup' seasons. of course he may not have a season like any of those guys, but his career to this point shows huge similarities to guys ready to "breakout".

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There is a pretty big difference in body type between those guys and Choi.

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why are some teams so stupid. (meaning the dodgers)

looking forward to hearing nate the great's view on this one,

-Ftball

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27 years old. Lifetime avg of .240 and 40 HRs.

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OBP has to be factored in. Which I am sure Theo thought about. And the price was right (well below right).

craig

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Will that increase in BOS? Will his SLG increase in BOS?

craig

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Choi is nothing but a backup first basemen He's a good backup, but a backup none the less.

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in your opinion. personally, i think he should start for the red sox and youk at 3B. if a guy can start at 1B for a 90 win+ team, then hes not a 'solid backup'.

his top 3 comps for this year are:

ortiz 2003
kusick 1976
durazo 2001
hafner 2004

those are not 'backup' seasons. of course he may not have a season like any of those guys, but his career to this point shows huge similarities to guys ready to "breakout".

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There is a pretty big difference in body type between those guys and Choi.

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choi 6'5 245
ortiz 6'4 230
hafner 6'3 240
durazo 6'3 240
kusick 6'3 232

now i havent seen much of choi on film, so i may be unaware of a 3rd testicle or tail or something.

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27 years old. Lifetime avg of .240 and 40 HRs.

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OBP has to be factored in. Which I am sure Theo thought about. And the price was right (well below right).

craig

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Will that increase in BOS? Will his SLG increase in BOS?

craig

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The guy has always come off as passive and now he is going to deliver in the pressure of Boston?

I'm just not a believer.

That said it still doesn't make sense the Dodgers gave him up for nothing.

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27 years old. Lifetime avg of .240 and 40 HRs.

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OBP has to be factored in. Which I am sure Theo thought about. And the price was right (well below right).

craig

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Will that increase in BOS? Will his SLG increase in BOS?

craig

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The guy has always come off as passive and now he is going to deliver in the pressure of Boston?

I'm just not a believer.

That said it still doesn't make sense the Dodgers gave him up for nothing.

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I don't know if he will be able to deliver in BOS. I am not good at measuring intangibles and I am sure there are passive people in BOS that did well (Bellhorn). But, for 350K or whatever it is, you don't think it is worth a shot?

Either way, I am glad we agree that the LAD should have at least tried to get something. He is only 27 and has a lot of upside for 350K.

craig

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One difference between Choi and Ortiz/Hafner is, scouts were still very high on Ortiz/Hafner as hitters when they broke out. Choi has supposedly lost bat speed since he put up those monster numbers in the minors, making his comps not quite as effective.

One thing that is similar amongst those players (I don't know anything about the guy from the 70's) is that they are all DH's.