Re-opening the raising in NLHE cash game
 

Playing in a local card room, there was $80 in the pot. Player A opened for $100. B called, and C shoved for a total of $145. Player D asked if the shove re-opened the betting. Floor came over and ruled that it had to be half of the original bet to re-open it ... so it did not re-open it in this instance.

There was then some discussion about whether it takes a full raise or half raise to re-open. Floor said that wherever he's played ... specifically Atlantic City, Caesar's Louisville, and Argosy (Cincinnati), that they all use the "half-raise" rule.

Clearly if half-raise if the house rule, then it's the house rule. Just curious if anyone has first hand knowledge of "half-raise" or "full-raise" at these casinos ...and others in general (Vegas, Tunica, CA, etc).

Thanks,

--Headhunter

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Half Raise tends to be an old rule that got dragged over from the limit games and is generally everywhere I played (Vegas, Canada, AC and Foxwoods)

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I'd expect the full-raise rule to apply here. (and in most major casinos.)

That said, the situation doesn't arise often enough for me to know which way it is supposed to go at most of the places I've played.

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Full raise in NL, half in LE.

Too bad many floors these days have no NL knowledge to apply the rules correctly.

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Full raise in NL, half in LE.

Too bad many floors these days have no NL knowledge to apply the rules correctly.

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in my experience this is house dependent; unless the floor is just consistently getting it wrong. i've seen more half-raise rules than full-raise

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Full raise in NL, half in LE.

Too bad many floors these days have no NL knowledge to apply the rules correctly.

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in my experience this is house dependent; unless the floor is just consistently getting it wrong. i've seen more half-raise rules than full-raise

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QFT. It's not really a case of getting it wrong, it's a case of the house rule usually being "Half a raise constitutes a full bet and re-opens the betting to anyone who has acted"

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Half Raise tends to be an old rule that got dragged over from the limit games and is generally everywhere I played (Vegas, Canada, AC and Foxwoods)

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i guess I should clarify that by saying though I seen , it isn't what suppose to be and winds up being floor dependent

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Professional rule.... full bet

Mickey Mouse rule.... half bet

Mickey Mouse rule is okay in Mickey Mouse room.

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Full raise in NL, half in LE.

Too bad many floors these days have no NL knowledge to apply the rules correctly.

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in my experience this is house dependent; unless the floor is just consistently getting it wrong. i've seen more half-raise rules than full-raise

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QFT. It's not really a case of getting it wrong, it's a case of the house rule usually being "Half a raise constitutes a full bet and re-opens the betting to anyone who has acted"

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I know a number of rooms (it might be better now that NL is spread more) that would have the full bet rule in their rules but none of their floor staff was familiar with NL so they would do half bet. I am sure there are some, but I have never seen a set of written rules that had a half bet reopen action in NL.

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Full raise in NL, half in LE.

Too bad many floors these days have no NL knowledge to apply the rules correctly.

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in my experience this is house dependent; unless the floor is just consistently getting it wrong. i've seen more half-raise rules than full-raise

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QFT. It's not really a case of getting it wrong, it's a case of the house rule usually being "Half a raise constitutes a full bet and re-opens the betting to anyone who has acted"

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I know a number of rooms (it might be better now that NL is spread more) that would have the full bet rule in their rules but none of their floor staff was familiar with NL so they would do half bet. I am sure there are some, but I have never seen a set of written rules that had a half bet reopen action in NL.

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Come to AZ and see the MTT rules book for NL MTT... You will see it.

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NL is a full bet so to reopen for the previous callers it would have to have been raised to $200. In LHE it would have to have been made $150 or better.

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NL is a full bet so to reopen for the previous callers it would have to have been raised to $200. In LHE it would have to have been made $150 or better.

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Doubt it. There is no structure in a limit game that would allow for the following with 4 players in the pot. Not possible for 4 people to be in the pot in a limit game, with $80 in preflop, then someone would bet 100 on the flop. See below for clarification.

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there was $80 in the pot. Player A opened for $100. B called, and C shoved for a total of $145

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The rule varies by house. One vegas room uses the full bet rule because they have the tda rules posted and they want the cash game rules to match (to prevent confusion). I like this way, but it's no biggie either way, you just need to clarify the house rules where you play.

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I am reading that Player D has yet to act at all yet and wants to know if he can raise. How does an all-in throttle his ability to act in any manner he chooses? are you telling me he can only call at this point?
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Don't want to hijack, but what if A bets 100, B calls, C shoves for 145, and D shoves for 210? Can A raise now? Assume the full bet rule.

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Don't want to hijack, but what if A bets 100, B calls, C shoves for 145, and D shoves for 210? Can A raise now? Assume the full bet rule.

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Yes, this would reopen the betting. 210 is more than 100% of 100. The inbetween player doesn't matter here.

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I am reading that Player D has yet to act at all yet and wants to know if he can raise. How does an all-in throttle his ability to act in any manner he chooses? are you telling me he can only call at this point?
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No, player D was asking what the options were as it relates to player B who merely called. D was worried that if he called and C's raise reopened the betting, that Player B could then shove.

It turns out the house rule is 1/2 raise reopens the betting (and as others said house rules trump all)... I was just curious how common the 1/2 rule is.

Apparently there's enough use of it to be somewhat common.

--Headhunter

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The most common rule is that it is a half-raise for limit holdem and a full raise for NL.

While the house can certainly make whatever rule it likes, I feel a lot of floors/cardrooms/dealers etc. might just use the half-raise for all games out of either simplicity or laziness, take your pick.

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I am reading that Player D has yet to act at all yet and wants to know if he can raise. How does an all-in throttle his ability to act in any manner he chooses? are you telling me he can only call at this point?
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No, player D was asking what the options were as it relates to player B who merely called. D was worried that if he called and C's raise reopened the betting, that Player B could then shove.

It turns out the house rule is 1/2 raise reopens the betting (and as others said house rules trump all)... I was just curious how common the 1/2 rule is.

Apparently there's enough use of it to be somewhat common.

--Headhunter

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That makes sense, i just mis-inferred players D's intent.