$12 180 man turbo
 

Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600)
9-max Seat #8 is the button

BB: Hero (10380 in chips)
BUTTON: Villian (13670 in chips)


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As 8c]
1: folds
2: folds
3: folds
4: folds
5: folds
6: folds
Villian: raises 11920 to 13520 and is all-in
SB: folds
Hero: ??
3750 in middle before the raise from blinds and antes

This Hand was RIGHT after the bubble 17 people left

1st 594
2nd 396
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9th $33.66
10-18 $23.76

Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

With M=2.5 you need to gamble and I think your hand is good enough to do so.

If button is a good player he should push very wide here and after posting the BB you get good odds to call here - so i would call.

Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

borderline...any reads...i play a lot of these and A 8 is about the cutoff for calling or raising...if the button has been aggressive I gamble cause you are really short....if you can steal I may pass but probably not...I like to win them and people will push ATC in this spot from the button

Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

Depends what the stacks on your left are like, but generally fold.

Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

read dependent really, but if button is any good he should be pushing any2 cards if folded to with his stack.

I would call this

Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

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read dependent really, but if button is any good he should be pushing any2 cards if folded to with his stack.

I would call this

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I agree... I'd only find a fold here if this guy's passed on multiple pushbot opportunities already and has been generally tight.

Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

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read dependent really, but if button is any good he should be pushing any2 cards if folded to with his stack.

I would call this

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I agree... I'd only find a fold here if this guy's passed on multiple pushbot opportunities already and has been generally tight.

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Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

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Depends what the stacks on your left are like, but generally fold.

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No.

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read dependent really, but if button is any good he should be pushing any2 cards if folded to with his stack.

I would call this

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I agree... I'd only find a fold here if this guy's passed on multiple pushbot opportunities already and has been generally tight.

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Yes.

Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

Average stack with 18 people left is like 15000 but with the bubble already broken I'd have to wait for 8 more people to be eliminated in order to move up in money and if thats the case I want to have chips to go at it at the final table.

Being it also a turbo the blinds would be raising really soon lowering my M my question is How tight does the original raiser have to be in order to fold this hand. If I fold this hand I'd have to allin ATC pretty soon after and if any of the big stacks choose to raise before, wouldn't I have to call with a marginal hand soon anyway?

RESULTS OF - $12 180 man turbo hand in question
 

I snap called figuring his range would be really wide. He had 98o and my A8o held. Guy decided to spend the next 10 minutes as observer complaining about how I risked everything on A8o, citing his poker resume and how close to pro he is. So I decided to humor him and "audit" my play so I become better. I don't really see how I can fold this unless I can narrow the initial raiser to top 10 hand. Allin from Button in a $12/180 usually doesn't scream top 10 hand to me.

Please help me see the light if I'm terribly wrong in my thinking. if its a 50/50 decision I'm even cool with that, but I think this is a call more than half the time.

Which decision gives me the best chance of winning the entire thing? If I fold this, what am I saving my chips to allin with? And am I forced to call sometime in the next orbit either way if blinds change to 1000/2000?

I'd have 8900 chips or so I think if I folded.

Re: RESULTS OF - $12 180 man turbo hand in question
 

like i said earlier I play a lot of these and have won and Fted a few...no point in waiting cause no one else does...You cannot pass up spots when this short if you want to get deep and win...I've learned not to love the calls as I'm making them but just remember that winning 10-18 is not important...nature of the beast that you have to gamble and others will do the same

Re: RESULTS OF - $12 180 man turbo hand in question
 

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.... Guy decided to spend the next 10 minutes as observer complaining ..., citing his poker resume and how close to pro he is.

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Sometimes it seems like a third of the players that get knocked out bitch like little Hellmuths.

I still can't grasp why someone playing in a $1 to $20 buy in game is surprised by less than perfect play.
Often, thier own play still leaves a lot to be desired.
(no matter what's on thier "Resume")

No one likes to lose, esp. to a bad beat or even plain old variance. Sometimes..." Poker Happens".

Personally, no matter what, I try to be gracious in defeat (or winning).

I wish more people would do the same.


BTW I think your call was RIGHT.
and I'm glad it worked out.

Re: RESULTS OF - $12 180 man turbo hand in question
 

well said nirvana...I'll break my own furniture but Ity very hard (usually successful) not to berate others...just say nh and evaluate the hand an move on...

wish more people would do the same

Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

Apparantely you have to gamboooooool!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO (t9800)
Button (t20632)
<font color="#C00000">SB (t12912)</font>
BB (t13856)
UTG (t11315)
UTG+1 (t4463)
MP1 (t4205)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t28370)</font>

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3600</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls t3000, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t7475) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t1200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t10800</font>, SB calls t7987 (All-In).

Turn: (t27462) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t27462) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t25849

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 3h Kh (one pair, sevens).
Hero has Tc 8h (two pair, tens and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t27462. </font>

Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

sam...not sure if you are proud of the play...nice that it worked out but don't love much about it

Re: $12 180 man turbo
 

Well i think preflop is marginal but I had been stealing plenty. Flop is meh but the last thing I was expecting was a call! And not from that hand.

But i was just posting for his hand not mine.

Anyways I sucked out a few times and won the comp so didn't mind posting a hand where my play could be criticized [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: RESULTS OF - $12 180 man turbo hand in question
 

I'd probably call here, and I'll give you my reasons.
1) You have a pretty short stack and need to do something soon.
2) I think you'd be a favorite most of the times in this situation.
3) You say it's 17 left. Isn't the payout structure the same for 10th to 18th in these touraments? That would be a reason to call IMO. If you don't double up soon you're not likely to be amoung the 9 best anyways anyways, and you'd not get any more than you would if you go out now. So take a shot, if it's a coinflip or if you're even a slight dog, I still think you should call and gamble.