Beginner\'s question regarding nanolimits
 

Are 0.02/0.04 and 0.05/0.10 games beatable, people at PS seems to just play with any two hands and usually will draw out on you all the time, what limits did you guys start at?

Any tips for these tables? Many players play pretty loosely and are pretty passive. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I like to play 0.02/0.04 short hand drunkern, I have about 40 BB/100 on friday nights. It plays the same as 500/1000 play money but more passive.

To add content, you can valuebet very light.

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Play tight.
Don't bluff.
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Profit.

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Do you guys recommend grinding it out at these limits or should I move up a bit? and get a bigger bankroll? Yeah I do play tight and don't bluff but it's like what xylocain said, it's like playing with play money :|. really fustrating sometimes.

Also I noticed that players at these limits don't raise preflop with AK/KQ.

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There is nothing frustrating about playing bad players, learn that. If you can't beat 0.02/0.04 you don't stand a chance playing higher either.

Get a starting hand chart and fit or fold. You can't outplay them, but you can valuebet them forever.

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Most of the posts I see in this sub-forum is .10/.20 or above, did most people here start out with 0.02/0.04? or a higher limit?

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If they are beatable. They are very beatable. You don't need even to do anything fancy. Just follow a starting hands chart religiously and valuebet toppair good kicker or better.
No bluffing.

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I'm using ed miller's preflop chart (loose)

Should I not raise preflop with hands like AK/KQ at these limits?

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If they are beatable. They are very beatable. You don't need even to do anything fancy. Just follow a starting hands chart religiously and valuebet mid or bottom pair untill you get donked and then you fold.
No bluffing, but c-bet against 2 or less as long as you have been showing down winners.

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FYP

[edit] use the tight chart, I don't think the loose applies that often even at these limits[/edit]

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ok thanks, I'll try again at those limits.

Also I'm wondering, does Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players apply to micro/nanolimits? I was considering reading though that since I felt "stuck".

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Yes, but you'll misapply it.

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As I'm fond of telling everyone, I started off at .02/.04 last year with 12 dollars to my name. I'm currently playing 1/2 6max with 600BB back and this is after I cashed out a majority of my roll to pay off bills and generally make my life easier. The money that I'm playing on right now and the money I cashed out was 100% pure profit. Granted, I treated poker like my second job to get all that money, but it was still 100% profit.

Read SSHE, get Pokertracker, sign up for session reviews here, post questionable hands, respond to hands here in the forum and learn. .02/.04 is wildly beatable as is .05/.10, .10/.20, .25/.50 etc.

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ok thanks, I'll try again at those limits.

Also I'm wondering, does Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players apply to micro/nanolimits? I was considering reading though that since I felt "stuck".

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Applies in the widest sense of the word. In other words: NO.
They talk about bluffs and HU-play in that book. Nothing that will make you money down there.

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to echo everyone else, these games are very profitable. DONT read HEFAP because it will probably [censored] your game up even more at this stage.

the stats below are from when I was starting out when the 2c/4c games at stars were not raked. the 5c/10c hands are from stars and UB. I was using a SSHE preflop chart and I had LLHE by Lee Jones. I played basic poker. I find it funny how my VPIP then was higher than it is now....in loose games the your VPIP goes higher cos you get to limp in with more speculative hands.

oh and you are more than welcome to post 2c/4c hands. gotta start somewhere. youll encounter all sorts of players at 2c/4c. Most will only play their two cards and they will have clear tendencies that you can exploit. get involved in the forums, have a good attitude, take all advice and evaluate it ana always think about WHY a certain move is good. then hopefully youll soon find most decisions at the table become routine and you can crush the games. goodluck.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9...board01gp9.jpg

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Also I'm wondering, does Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players apply to micro/nanolimits? I was considering reading though that since I felt "stuck".

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Kind of all about your objectives I think. You may not be able to use any of the HEFAP playing strategies at low micro limits but if you want your know how to get out in front of your opponents playing level it would be very advisable to learn what you will need later and if you really learn and understand the concepts it will be useful at any level. Hint: one of the concepts is to adjust your style to exploit the game you are in. So iso raising, for example, is usually contraindicated. While raising for value is the gold standard.

Another is the concept that you don't have to be the best player in the world to win. You can make mistakes and win. You just have to make fewer of them than your opponents do.

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you'll encounter all sorts of players at 2c/4c. Most will only play their two cards and they will have clear tendencies that you can exploit.



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My favorite are the ones that only raise 2 pair or better. You don't get one of those at every table higher up.
You have it good down there. Now win.

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Thanks for all the tips/advice

I started to apply SSHE's tight preflop chart and I can notice a huge difference.

The thing that got me really confused is that I use to play at these limits and you'll see ppl's VPIP at 40 and up and it'll say they are winning, I guess it was because of the small sample size.

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*grunch

congrats on finding these boards and asking these questions.

Bottom line is that if you play the ABC poker that is suggested by many here consistently and with proper understanding you can easily beat these levels and may actually crush them.

These levels are the best levels to start from because mistakes come cheap. If you focus on correcting mistakes and playing solidly before you move up, you will have a much greater chance for success at the higher levels.

Regardless of results you must play to the best of your ability and you must play with confidence and understanding and with a willingness to study and learn.

If you focus on these elements, then the results will come.

Read, ask stupid questions, post hands, answer hands without looking at others responses first (known as grunching) watch others play and practice.

I personally started playing 2 years ago and learnt without these boards.

I was successful up to around 5/10 poker then I got blow out. A year ago I started posting and have had to fix a lot of mistakes and think about the why's more than ever rather than the how's.

I have built up bankroll twice since I started posting both times starting from ground zero again since I cashed out previous winnings.

So yes its possible to win from these levels. Good luck to you and hope we hear more from you as you soon.

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Also I noticed that players at these limits don't raise preflop with AK/KQ.

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Should I not raise preflop with hands like AK/KQ at these limits?

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You've noted that most players at your limit are terrible. They don't raise AK/AQ/KQ.

So what do you think you should do? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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So what do you think you should do? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I started to do a bunch of 0.02/0.04 marathons ever since you guys pushed me onto the right track. Despite my PT telling me that my AKs and AKo are positive so far I've been correctly playing them, before I was holding them on for too long hence that's why I thought it was a bad idea to raise pre-flop. (I didn't deviate, was just keeping an open mind).

I was wondering if it's possible to see hands at my level from a winning poker player(s) just so I can see how other players would do in so and so situation.

At the micro limits, do many tables do you guys multi table?

Also currently reading though Winning Low Limit Hold'em By Lee Jones. Already read though SSHE several times and alot of things is starting to click.

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I was wondering if it's possible to see hands at my level from a winning poker player(s) just so I can see how other players would do in so and so situation.


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What you need is to sign up for the next Session Review.

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Despite my PT telling me that my AKs and AKo are positive so far I've been correctly playing them, before I was holding them on for too long hence that's why I thought it was a bad idea to raise pre-flop.

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AKs and AKo will ALWAYS be in the green, provided the sample size is big enough. These are extremely profitable hands. Raising preflop for value should be automatic. All problems always stem from people playing them badly postflop. SHIPIT.

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my stats from .05/.10 :

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4...olimitifx5.jpg
By lubenica47

Vpip is very high, could keep it lower but i played some broken tables agains few people.

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36k hands up to .25/.50 full ring

4.4 bb/100 avg $355 Net Gain

31% VPIP/ 14% PFR / 2.1 AF

29k hands 6 max up to .10/.20

30% VPIP / 23% PFR /2.75 AF

2.87 bb/100 $135 Net Gain.

Didn't realize I did better on the micro's at full ring but it makes sense, the games will have more calling stations and fish than in 6 max which just goes to show that it is more profitable to play when you have all these extra guys drawing out at you.

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What is a good BR size to start playing at the .02/.04 or .05/.10 games?

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What is a good BR size to start playing at the .02/.04 or .05/.10 games?

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300BB is the norm for full ring. So $12-$15 and $30-40 respectively.

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First time I started with 50 dollars, second time $12 and last time $4.50. Don't multitable, move tables to get position on really bad players if you have to. Be patient, if you play a hand that vexes you stop playing, the tables are there 24/7.

Play a few k before you even think of looking at your stats and don't move up until you have 300 bb at the next level.

If you are bankrolled for 300bb at .5/.10 and you play according to Lee Jones book you should be ok to start there.

If you lose 150 bb however drop down.

Low limit is very swingy so when I just started I limited loses to 20 bb a day.

When I hit that number I stopped and studied instead.

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I'm going to try to limit most of my beginner/fish questions here instead of a new thread.

For those of you who use GameTime+ (or the other HUDs), what stats do you usually display? (Right now I have VPIP/% Preflop Raises/Post-flop aggression/Hands played)

Any tips on choosing tables on pokerstars? I usually go for 8-10 players and any table greater than 55% players/flop, any comments on the tables regarding average pot?

What's this sweating thing? (is it like someone watching me play though a few hands and go over the thinking process and what not)? If anyone have time to do that with me at the 0.02/0.04 micro limits I'd be interest and it would be really appreciated (free anytime after 5+ pm EST.)

Also I had a question about that hand I just posted. I think alot of players noticed that I was playing really tight, whenever I raised pre-flop, alot of them would just fold, should I limp in, in a situation like this? any other comments on that hand? Played like 20 hands already, had about a 15% vpip during that session while playing that specific hand.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.02/$0.04
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 4 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.5SB, 3 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.25BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, UTG calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.25BB, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 9.25BB

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At .02/.04 you should be able to sit at any table and do alright. Eventually you will find a table vpip that you are comfortable playing at.

I just show whatever the default stuff is on PAHUD and keep track of my stats, probably more than I should.

If people are folding to your raises open your raising range instead of limping your good hands. I would rather lose when someone cold calls with crap and beats my weak raising hand than when someone cracks my AA because I let them in cheap.

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Any tips on choosing tables on pokerstars? I usually go for 8-10 players and any table greater than 55% players/flop, any comments on the tables regarding average pot?

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I pretty much spilled my guts out in this thread. It should go without saying but some of the specifics I wrote in it relate to limits I play...at 2c/4c the games are different so youll need to adjust your concepts of what is good/bad. eg what you might consider a bad table at 2c/4c would likely still be considered good by 0.5/1 standards.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=2#Post11426675