TPTK+Nut FD
 

.5-1 6MX

Hero is on btn w $105 and villain has me covered.

Folded to villain who limps two off the btn, I pop it to 4.25 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and he calls

Flop comes A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

He checks and I bet 8 and he moves all in. What kind of range is he on here and is a call ever profitable against an unknown

Re: TPTK+Nut FD
 

insta-call.

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reads?

I hate to say this but you have to fold. I had a similar hand to this twice last night.

AK (hearts) flop - KJx (two hearts)
KhQs flop - A9x (three hearts)

Even with the nut draws I lost both flops when villian pushed.

Re: TPTK+Nut FD
 

nope villain had just sat down

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what range do you put villain on

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Against an unknown with this hand I am not folding. No way. A range is tough with absolutely no stats or history. That is a ridiculous overbet, and that makes it tough to give him respect as an extremely competant player... therefore some smaller aces and pair/lower flush draw combos are in the mix.

Snap call

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Even with the nut draws I lost both flops when villian pushed.

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I've been up all night, so my sarcasm meter might be off... isn't it?

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I don't know. Really wild line. Could be a set, or 67-89h... although I would think a made flush would be looking for value here. Maybe something odd like Ax8h. I think it's a set or a2s or a5s. With such an odd line and no history, I don't know what I'd do though. Is Axxh enough of his range to call? Maybe he shows up with 33 or 44 with a heart here, too. Straight flush draw = shove? In real life, I insta-call. On these forums, I'd think about it a while and probably call anyway.

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insta-call.

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This is a super easy call really, change your hand to AK without a heart and its tougher.

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Even with the nut draws I lost both flops when villian pushed.

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I've been up all night, so my sarcasm meter might be off... isn't it?

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I dont know, I tend to agree with him, I put a range of hands into pokerstove that included 22,55,A2,A5,34s,suited heart connectors and one gappers along with a few random hands or so and my equity was right at about 40%.

Re: TPTK+Nut FD
 

Exactly. While our hand may look good the chances are greater that we are behind, not ahead.

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insta-call.

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I have a really hard time giving a lot of respect to an unknown who overbets this huge.

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I have a really hard time giving a lot of respect to an unknown who overbets this huge.

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Then what would you do this hand? This guy was mined but I had never played. First hand together.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post10720102

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AxQh, AxJh etc.

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I have a really hard time giving a lot of respect to an unknown who overbets this huge.

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Then what would you do this hand? This guy was mined but I had never played. First hand together.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post10720102

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Thats a different story since for one thing you might be dead to 2 outs instead of 7.

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I have a really hard time giving a lot of respect to an unknown who overbets this huge.

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Then what would you do this hand? This guy was mined but I had never played. First hand together.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post10720102

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Thats a different story since for one thing you might be dead to 2 outs instead of 7.

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True but in both cases the villian pushes for around 100BB on the flop and in both cases we are holding strong hands.

Honestly, OP can call this flop push and there is no harm done but I think the majority of the time he is JUST drawing to a flush and is behind.

-JB

Re: TPTK+Nut FD
 

I've had unknowns do similar things to me 2 or 3 times the last few days and each time they've had like 99 no hearts.

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I have a really hard time giving a lot of respect to an unknown who overbets this huge.

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Then what would you do this hand? This guy was mined but I had never played. First hand together.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post10720102

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Yours is a much tougher spot. Villain is pretty aggro so I lean toward a call here. With his stats I can see TPTK, OESD, 2Pair, set. I think it's close, but I prob still call. I play a pretty high variance style vs a 27/20/4 opponent.

On OP's hand I can't begin to find a fold.

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AxQh, AxJh etc.

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He's not open-limping these pf. But this being a crazy line postflop, maybe he is. I'm still calling.

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I think call or fold make very little difference in the long run with 105bb stacks, id lean toward a call......probably.

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I've had unknowns do similar things to me 2 or 3 times the last few days and each time they've had like A9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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I call here against an unknown, pretty much instantly, just today I saw this line from 7h-7.

I think you're ahead more than you think, and you have outs to the nuts. He may even be drawing at a worse flush.

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not..folding...ever

Results
 

Well like a lot of people suggested, I instacalled and villain flipped over 22 and HHWG I still havent come to a full conclusion about what I think the correct approach is, but I'd love to debate it some more if anyone has something else to add.

Mike

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you're going to see a lot of PP's with a lone heart enough to make this profitable

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This is a super easy call really, change your hand to AK without a heart and its tougher.

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I agree. Even w/o the Nut FD you still have a decision to make. With it, easiest call evarrrrr

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Step 1:

Go to Amazon and order that Ipod Nano you've had your eyes on.

Step 2:

Call

Step 3:

Use Villains cash to pay for Nano.

Easy Peasy.

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i would love to get some spots like this

it's not even a gamble, tooez

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Step 1:

Go south of market st. and order that [censored] you've had your eyes on.

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Call

Step 3:

Use Villains cash to pay for [censored].
Easy Peasy.

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