NL200 55 flops overpair+oesd
 

I fumble both with overpairs and hands like that a lot, so help me again on a line please [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] villain is unknown, my first orbit. Am I to push the flop here?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) by Hand Converter CG

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO ($95)
Button ($82.20)
SB ($32.45)
BB ($182.25)
UTG ($94.95)
Hero ($206.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls $5.

Flop: ($12) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $30</font>, Hero calls $20.

Turn: ($72) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $38</font>, Hero ?

Final Pot: $110

Re: NL200 55 flops overpair+oesd
 

call turn, fold river unimproved

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Push the flop. As played, push the turn.

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call turn, fold river unimproved

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I disagree with pushing the flop. Villian could easily have 66-TT and could call. I call the turn and fold river unimproved.

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call turn, fold river unimproved

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I disagree with pushing the flop. Villian could easily have 66-TT and could call. I call the turn and fold river unimproved.

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That cuts both ways I play live at these stakes but not online, does push fold out 66-TT at this level most of the time or no?

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I play live and online at these stakes.

Live - Depending on how solid the villian is.
Solid: Villian folds to a push with 66-99, TT might call. Weak: Villian calls with 66-TT no matter what.

Online I think the villian is more likely to call with 66-TT than live.

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I think pushing the flop is horrible.

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I think pushing the flop is horrible.

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Why?

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Maybe a better question is, how much equity do you think we have?

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Maybe a better question is, how much equity do you think we have?

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I stated my case above, but I would say online against an unknown we have very little FE. Just a number I am pulling out of the air, but less than 25%.

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I think pushing the flop is horrible.

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I disagree. I don't know if it is the best play, but it certainly isn't horrible.

If we shove we are representing a big overpair very strongly. We probably fold pairs below jacks alot, and sometimes higher against nits. We also have a decent amount of outs vs. an overpair and sets. As well, we get it in with decent amount of equity versus a draw.

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I think pushing the flop is horrible.

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Why?

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It looks like we have very little FE, and we are just getting our money in drawing to 8 or less outs.

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push flop = -ev (best case: break-even)

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I kinda think it's better to make a move on the turn, given how the hand has been played thus far. Of course, if the turn was something else with different action, I might change my mind, so this thinking is results oriented.

But as played, I'm inclined to raise the turn. I think our FE is much higher now that we've called a raise on the flop, there is an overcard, and all draws whiffed

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I think pushing the flop is horrible.

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Why?

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Because villain has shown a tremendous amount of strength, this sort of play will be very good against thinking players who have a much wider range here, but typically after you get cr'd on the flop you are drawing to 8 outs and have little fold equity.

Re: NL200 55 flops overpair+oesd
 

Could pushing the turn trying to represent a hand like AQ work? Or are pairs bigger than ours still going to call? I haven't played a lot of 200NL, just wondering.

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It *could* work but the important thing to consider here is that against someone we haven't got a read on, its quite unlikely to work since we have little fold equity vs his likely range.

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why just call the flop? if you were going to continue with the hand you should have re-raised the flop, if not, fold. now you're not getting the odds to draw vs. an overpair. if you think he's not folding an overpair, then you've got to fold now.