Paul Wasicka\'s AA fold in HSP
 

Not sure if everyone saw this, but I found it very interesting.

Basically, Wasicka limped AA utg, then pretty much the entire table limped. It was a 7 way limped pot, flop came T64 2 hearts. sb checked, Todd brunson led from the bb for 3/4 pot or so and wasicka folded. he did not have the A hearts. Just so happened that brunson had KJhh, but greenstein had a set behind him.

What do you guys think of this fold? My immediate reaction was that I would definitely at least flat call one bet or maybe make a small ish raise then see what developed behind me, folding if any sick action came. But I think this is a pretty smart fold that avoids a lot of danger. My gut still tells me that if you play this smart its +EV to stay in the hand but its such a difficult spot when youre oop vs 5 other people and facing a bet from the BB who might have some random 2 pair.

just curious what others think cause ive talked to 2 very good players who i regard highly about it, one said at least call other said he loved the fold.

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I fold.

On a related note, why the [censored] does everyone slowplay everything both preflop and on the flop in HSP? I'd love to play that game and just 3bet the [censored] out of the table, and play flops aggressively before slowing down a bit.

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I love the fold, you have no idea what you're up against so there's no reason to fall in love with your acees. Best case, you turn an ace, and even then you still don't know where you are if Brunson bets again.

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well generally when the SB/BB lead into a field of 7 players he can either beat one pair or has a very big draw.
good players with deep stacks don't generally lead out in that spot with just top pair.
now it just so happens that alot of the play on HSP has been sub-par, however in general if i was in a tough game in the same spot i would probably fold the AA as well.

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But WHY is Wasicka folding AA on television? The word that you can fold AA should not be out!

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I think it was a fold. He got unlucky that it was limped around because if you have AA UTG in that game, I'd probably limp also. You never know when Sammy is going to jack it up to 16k in a limped pot. As for flop play, it was probably the right fold because the other players are liable to hold any 2 cards.

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On another note, and I don't want to hijack the thread, but does anyone remember why Farha lashed out at Aba a few episodes ago and told him he doesn't belong in a casino? I really despise Farha, and I wouldn't be too upset if he died.

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On another note, and I don't want to hijack the thread, but does anyone remember why Farha lashed out at Aba a few episodes ago and told him he doesn't belong in a casino? I really despise Farha, and I wouldn't be too upset if he died.

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Why would you want someone who's willing to provide so much action with such bad poker ability to die? He could call me whatever he wanted to as long as he kept reloading for $100k...

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Three words: reverse implied odds

He's gonna have a hard time navigating this flop. With so many aggressive players who could have so many hands, he's only going to get action when he doesn't want it. And if he does happen to have the best of it, he'll have to give a bunch of free/cheap cards (as sticking out some big bets is suicide).

I like the fold. The UTG limp, not so much.

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Since this thread is already here, did aba play the TT hand well ?

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Since this thread is already here, did aba play the TT hand well ?

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I liked how he played it. Flop lead is great against Elezra. He was just getting constantly shafted by scare cards on turn and river the whole episode.

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What do you guys think of this fold?

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I think that's a crappy situation, and the fold is nice. There's so little invested, and it can only get uglier. The only cards in the deck you'd like are the two aces. And with the BB betting out, you know he has to have a prettty decent hand betting into that field.

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I think he got lucky Todd bet out. I would like to see how he would have played it if the flop were checked to him, stuck between Todd's flush draw and Barry's set.

As it was, I think the fold is easy to claim as the right play, but I wonder how many of us would actually fold it at the table. A flop of T-6-4 is pretty good for aces, even vs. a bunch of limpers.

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I think he got lucky Todd bet out. I would like to see how he would have played it if the flop were checked to him, stuck between Todd's flush draw and Barry's set.

As it was, I think the fold is easy to claim as the right play, but I wonder how many of us would actually fold it at the table. A flop of T-6-4 is pretty good for aces, even vs. a bunch of limpers.

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Not in a limped pot with players who have shown down absolute rags in raised pots

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Since this thread is already here, did aba play the TT hand well ?

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I liked how he played it. Flop lead is great against Elezra. He was just getting constantly shafted by scare cards on turn and river the whole episode.

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i thought his turn check stunk.

and i'm no expert on live play but i think he gives off a ton of tells.

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As it was, I think the fold is easy to claim as the right play, but I wonder how many of us would actually fold it at the table. A flop of T-6-4 is pretty good for aces, even vs. a bunch of limpers.

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It was a 7 way limped pot

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On another note, and I don't want to hijack the thread, but does anyone remember why Farha lashed out at Aba a few episodes ago and told him he doesn't belong in a casino? I really despise Farha, and I wouldn't be too upset if he died.

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I believe Sammy thought Aba was giving him the internet pro stare down

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Since this thread is already here, did aba play the TT hand well ?

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i think checkraise would've been better on that board vs that opponent. if the board was KT4 or something i like a lead a lot more.

as played, i don't love the turn check.

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There was a gigantic thread involving DS playing aces like this somewhere a while ago. I don't see anything else he can do after the limp when SB bets into 6 people.

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On another note, and I don't want to hijack the thread, but does anyone remember why Farha lashed out at Aba a few episodes ago and told him he doesn't belong in a casino?

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and i'm no expert on live play but i think he gives off a ton of tells.

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First of all I don't like the UTG limp. Wasicka has been more actively on that table: Reraised some players with junk and basically became more agressive. Most player will have catched on this and his UTG raise might look a little less strong in that spot. Players such as elezra and others call a lot pf raises, so raising will thin the field while still creating an decent pot (2-3way). Plus there is the high chance of Sammy or someone else reraising.. Overall raising in that spot has a bigger expected value imho. As played the flop fold is tough but with the given situation I guess it's fine that way. I myself wouldn't have come into that spot and if I accidently get there then I might fold as well.

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I haven't seen many episodes and haven't seen this one. But the way this game plays the only play is fold. You stand to make too little money and you'll definitely have to give a free or cheap river card to half the world. I don't think EP AA can VB the river and no one is going to VB a worse hand for you on the river either. AA just loses too much money taking it past the flop in this spot. Plus PW seems risk adverse (for whatever reason) so I'm sure he didn't even give it a 2nd thought

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Don't think it mattered what was on the flop; he had already decided that once he didn't get a chance to come over the top pre-flop, he was done. Very smart, given the game.

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Cant see doing anything but mucking here.

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Cant see doing anything but mucking here.

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Really? Floating the SB's bet is out of the question?

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Cant see doing anything but mucking here.

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Really? Floating the SB's bet is out of the question?

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why call that floating? it's just a call.

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good fold, bad preflop limp based on the hands they showed him play on tv.

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Cant see doing anything but mucking here.

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Really? Floating the SB's bet is out of the question?

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why call that floating? it's just a call.

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floating is always "just a call" but my understanding was that it connoted "calling to see what other action develops," which is why I used it. Now that we're done quibbling over semantics, do you have an opinion?

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My opinion is that I frequently play AA like this in FR games. After the SB leads and with that many players left to act behind me this is an easy fold.

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I definitely like the fold. I didn't realize everyone here is as big a nit as I am though [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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no one who claimed they'd fold AA here would actually do it

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shane i actually prefer a minraise or some smallish raise to calling. i would hate to see a 6 way turn with AA here, which could very easily happen if someone holds hearts, someone 35, another 87 (double gutty), and other random holdings like middle pair etc, but i wouldnt want to put in a lot to cut down the action.

i think this is an option and people are being results oriented about it, but the more i think about it, i think the fold is good just to avoid [censored] spots in the future at a tough table.

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no one who claimed they'd fold AA here would actually do it

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Strongly disagree. I think most good players are aware of how difficult it is to show a profit in these situations.

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Would people fold if they had the Ah?

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no one who claimed they'd fold AA here would actually do it

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Strongly disagree. I think most good players are aware of how difficult it is to show a profit in these situations.

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i'm not necessarily saying it's a bad fold, i just think literally 0 people who said they would fold in this thread actually would have (including you).

i would have called. i think its trivially easy to show a profit by calling the flop here and not sucking at playing the rest of the hand. and i'm basing this on how good i think the other players in the pot are + how passive everyone on the show has been playing draws/basically any hands on the turn+river.

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and of course, all the results-oriented fishies who think it's a great fold, would be trashing wasicka as a weak/tight nit if brunson has AT and wins a big pot from farha or elezra's JT/other garbage.

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Todd leads better than a pair here like never?

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Todd leads better than a pair here like never?

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I think OOP and with a strong hand, you'd need to bet out against the flush and straight draws. Or atleast C/R, but that's never a guarantee.

Why wouldn't he lead out with better than a pair?

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I think folding, calling, and raising are all reasonable based on your read on the sb.

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my default fwiw with AT+ in his spot is raise the flop, if someone 3bets behind its an easy muck with anything smaller then bottom set (how can he have two pair here?) or a big draw (NFD or gutshot+flush) and then in position it depends on the turn card but generally check behind and call a river bet or value bet (on some rivers)