99 with board Overcards
 

Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players

Villain is unknown.

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP1 folds, Button calls.

<font color="blue">If villain holds A rag i'm a huge dog post flop. I know its frowned upon here but i bet to "find out where i'm at". Can anyone explain a better strategy here? </font>

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

<font color="blue">No flop re raise and one villain out of the way.
Continue betting or try get to showdown as cheaply as possible? </font>

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.75BB, 2 players)
Hero ??

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

I probably wouldn't have raised that pf as you're oop against two guys. Might be weak play by me.
Having raised, I'd bet the flop here always. I have no idea what I'd do later on. Probably bet the turn, c/f river.

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

You should be betting this flop.
I'd c/f the turn though.
River is a c/f since you got there.

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

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You should be betting this flop.

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Why?

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I'd c/f the turn though.

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Why?

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River is a c/f since you got there.

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Why?

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

Edit: Note that I'm used to the 3/6 game right now so .50/1 probably plays a little different. However, Ace-rag is even more likely at your level to be limped.

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You should be betting this flop.

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Why?

<font color="green"> You were the preflop aggressor and YOU are likely to look like you have an ace. A paired board is pretty good for a PP hand. Ace isn't greatest, but you have no reason to think they have it yet so at least keep up the aggression for a street. </font>

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I'd c/f the turn though.

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Why?

<font color="green"> Since they both called, it'l very possible one of them has an ace or the turned J. Our hand is much weaker now. </font>

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River is a c/f since you got there.

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Why?

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<font color="green"> Three overcards to your pair, all of which your villains are likely to hold w/ their limp. </font>

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

pajo,

You bet the flop because you likely have the best hand. When no one has an ace they fold and you win the pot.

The turn is the only difficult decision in this hand and is very player dependant. Against retards or flop peelers i bet again. Against someone who isn't likely to call the flop here with less than an ace i check/fold. Against an unknown i bet again and hate it probably planning on it being the last money i put in.

One more edit: moral of the story is being OOP sucks.

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

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pajo,

You bet the flop because you likely have the best hand. When no one has an ace they fold and you win the pot.

The turn is the only difficult decision in this hand and is very player dependant. Against retards or flop peelers i bet again. Against someone who isn't likely to call the flop here with less than an ace i check/fold. Against an unknown i bet again and hate it probably planning on it being the last money i put in.

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Yes, reads help tremendously in these cases.

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

befolder &amp; sean c, i agree with what you both said.

over aggression is a leak of mine.

tx.

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

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befolder &amp; sean c, i agree with what you both said.

over aggression is a leak of mine.

tx.

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What happened to me in earlier days is that I clung to the power of my initial two cards and didn't readjust my play enough for later streets. Perhaps you do that sometimes. Just a theory.

Don't let yourself believe that your red aces are no good when the board is: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

They were most certainly best when the hand started. Glad I'm out of that phase and can now reevaluate well post flop.

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

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What happened to me in earlier days is that I clung to the power of my initial two cards and didn't readjust my play enough for later streets. Perhaps you do that sometimes. Just a theory.


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Ya i still do that occasionally i'm afraid. Not as much as when i first started but from time to time.

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

"grunch"

Check the river, call villian's bet if you want. I doubt he has a 4 since he should have check-raised on the turn to avoid flush/straight suck-outs (though he may still have it). After the river there are flush/straight possibilities, and three overcards. If villian hit any of it, he's staying and has you beat. He may be playing 8-8 or 7-7 but as is, I'd place villian with Ace/weak kicker.

Re: 99 with board Overcards
 

*grunch*

Betting flop is fine. Turn is where it gets a little trickier. The turn bet only makes sense if your villain is a call-any-flop type player, or would call down a random low PP. Otherwise, there's nothing that his on that flop that doesn't have you beat.

No matter what, once the turn bet is called, it's time to give it up. c/f is the right play here, IMO.