5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

UTG is a really bad player
BB is a little tight tag 21/14 2.4 turn aggression

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero

this just felt like a I picked up outs I bet type of thing

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

yes. pot is tiny, he has like 57 outs if you're ahead, i'd fold it.

edit: nice avatar...

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

1) You got some kind of a read on UTG? If not, I just call preflop.

2) I don't think he's FOS. Even if he is, as the other poster mentioned, he often has approximately eleventy billion outs.

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

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yes. pot is tiny, he has like 57 outs if you're ahead, i'd fold it.

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its 5BB and if he has 15outs, I have 67% equity which is 3.33BB which is a lot of the pot

gutshot+FD+overcards is 19outs I have 58.6% equity, which is just under 3BB

OESD+FD+overcards is 23outs I have 50% equity there, thats 2.5BB

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

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yes. pot is tiny, he has like 57 outs if you're ahead, i'd fold it.

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its 5BB and if he has 15outs, I have 67% equity which is 3.33BB which is a lot of the pot

gutshot+FD+overcards is 19outs I have 58.6% equity, which is just under 3BB

OESD+FD+overcards is 23outs I have 50% equity there, thats 2.5BB

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and if he's ahead you're toast. plus reverse implied odds.

edit: seriously though who is that in your avatar

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

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1) You got some kind of a read on UTG? If not, I just call preflop.

2) I don't think he's FOS. Even if he is, as the other poster mentioned, he often has approximately eleventy billion outs.

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for some reason my reads got deleted, and I just readded them

worst case scenario when I'm ahead is he has T7, JT with a FD, for 2overcards(6), straight(6), flush(9) or 21outs, I have 54% equity against that

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

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1) You got some kind of a read on UTG? If not, I just call preflop.

2) I don't think he's FOS. Even if he is, as the other poster mentioned, he often has approximately eleventy billion outs.

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for some reason my reads got deleted, and I just readded them

worst case scenario when I'm ahead is he has T7, JT with a FD, for 2overcards(6), straight(6), flush(9) or 21outs, I have 54% equity against that

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I thought worst case would be 99 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

seriously though he doesn't have to be FOS here. he could easily have a pair.

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

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yes. pot is tiny, he has like 57 outs if you're ahead, i'd fold it.

edit: nice avatar...

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its 5BB and if he has 15outs, I have 67% equity which is 3.33BB which is a lot of the pot

gutshot+FD+overcards is 19outs I have 58.6% equity, which is just under 3BB

OESD+FD+overcards is 23outs I have 50% equity there, thats 2.5BB

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and if he's ahead you're toast. plus reverse implied odds.

edit: seriously though who is that in your avatar

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no idea on the avatar, just some random pic I found a while ago

I know Im trashed when behind .. but I have no worse than 54% equity when ahead which is 2.6BB calling the turn costs 1BB .. I have decent overlay, i think this is pretty close either way

I am trying to find a little balance from the pure math, and the instinct of sorts that says he's betting to get me to fold a better hand

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I thought worst case would be 99

seriously though he doesn't have to be FOS here. he could easily have a pair.

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oh yeah thats the worst, I was talking about when ahead but where villian has the most outs, anthing that is ahead is WA he should be c/r most1pair hands on the flop

he isn't FOS all the time, but I think he is a good chunk of the time

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

I call a lot of donkbets when they come from unexpected places , but I don't really know what to make of the UTG limp by a 21/14

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

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I call a lot of donkbets when they come from unexpected places , but I don't really know what to make of the UTG limp by a 21/14

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utg was a bad player he folded the flop
bb is the 21/14

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

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I call a lot of donkbets when they come from unexpected places , but I don't really know what to make of the UTG limp by a 21/14

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utg was a bad player he folded the flop
bb is the 21/14

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Guess I need to read more carefully. I think he's FOS and I don't think you have to fold.

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

I'd call it down and take notes. He could have a lone [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and wants to increase his chance of winning.

If you're ahead he may have a lot of outs to beat you, but you're still a solid favourite. If he has two overcards with a flushdraw (15 outs) you're a 2:1 favourite. If you're behind you're crushed but against an aggressive player, you can never really assume that. I'd put more stock in a semi-bluff than a made hand, since I think a stronger hand probably checkraises you here. Also if a fourth [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] hits on the river you can fold and save a bet, which increases your profit on the hand.

I think a calldown is good here.

River Card
 

I call the turn

River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

he bets, I call

thats pretty standard right, thats about the best card in the deck to hit, he pretty much can't have a 4

Re: River Card
 

If you aren't calling this river then you shouldn't be calling the turn. Looks like a good hand.

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

I don't think he's bluffing.

I don't think this is a good spot to bluff.

If it is a bluff, I don't think he'll try this more than 20% of the time. (Your getting 5:1 to call.)

If he's not bluffing, your going to have to call another bet on the river.

So I'd fold, BUT,

Because of the way it felt to you, I think there's something to be said for following your instinct. I think you could call the turn and fold if he bet again on the river. Just because you call the turn, doesn't mean you have to call the river.

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

i raise turn
lolol

seriously though, i raise turn.

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i raise turn
lolol

seriously though, i raise turn.

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Yeah, me too. If you don't want to fold it then I think you should raise it. If he just picked up a draw like you think then you don't want him seeing the river because so many cards could hurt you. I think calling here is the worst option.

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I call the turn

River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

he bets, I call

thats pretty standard right, thats about the best card in the deck to hit, he pretty much can't have a 4

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man this thread feels so unfinished to me. Plus Im curious as to what happened.

turn raise depends if it folds out better hands or how often u could get 3bet

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i raise turn
lolol

seriously though, i raise turn.

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Same. Calling down ain't bad since it allows you to release to a 4th spade.

Krishan

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I call the turn

River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

he bets, I call

thats pretty standard right, thats about the best card in the deck to hit, he pretty much can't have a 4

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man this thread feels so unfinished to me. Plus Im curious as to what happened.

turn raise depends if it folds out better hands or how often u could get 3bet

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he had QJ 1spade MHIG

isn't a turn raise a good way to get 2BB in and not see a SD a lot, I guess I don't think he's donk/folding too often and plenty of nasty river cards

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i raise turn
lolol

seriously though, i raise turn.

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Same. Calling down ain't bad since it allows you to release to a 4th spade.

Krishan

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heh, im not calling down because of the fourth spade. im sure you know this though.

Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?
 

What's FOS? Thanks,

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What's FOS? Thanks,

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Full of it.

To op:

I think you under-estimate the times he simply has an 8 or a 9.

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What's FOS? Thanks,

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Full of it.

To op:

I think you under-estimate the times he simply has an 8 or a 9.

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A tight TAG folds 8x on the flop and raises a 9.. Usually.